Log In
Members
Home
Add Reply
Add Topic
Here is another post a while back involving the same seller. https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-22-rim-fire/should-we-be-concerned/
The bid is already at $6500 with 12 days left in the auction!
There is surely going to be an enraged buyer when the cat gets out of the bag……….
I believe this is the seventh M 61 that “just didn’t look right” from this seller.
twobit has some threads concerning these guns.
Tom
November 7, 2015
Offline
Other than the obliterated SN digits, “AS-IS” sale condition, odd-looking muzzle face and stains in the butt stock I didn’t see anything obvious. I think the pics of the barrel stamp could have been better, something seems to be cropped out. Being a gallery gun in a box puts it it two high-risk categories for me so the warning buzzers and bells were already sounding. For the sake of the bidder(s) willing to fork out over $6500 for it I hope it’s real.
I dunno, pretty gun.
Mike
Good morning,
With the number of fake and altered rifles which I have found and confirmed via my survey I would not touch a rifle for which the serial number is not openly given and absolutely not bid/buy anything without a return policy. There is just far too much risk involved and no recourse. The top of the receiver looks like it was “polished” with a wire brush!!!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I don’t think that gun is original at all. Look at the wood where it should be flat with sharp corners where it is around the butt stock and the receiver…the wood has a slight rounded look in those areas. Big red flag IMO! The forearm wood also has a worn/used look that does not match the metal to me. Just my opinion of course.
In Ned Schwings’ book, the practice of paint filling the logo roll mark on M62 gallery rifles occurred after 1953. One might assume that this paint process would have taken place on 61s at the same time. Is this another little red flag for a 1947 rifle? What do y’all think, especially twobit?
Tom
[email protected] said
In Ned Schwings’ book, the practice of paint filling the logo roll mark on M62 gallery rifles occurred after 1953. One might assume that this paint process would have taken place on 61s at the same time. Is this another little red flag for a 1947 rifle? What do y’all think, especially twobit?Tom
Tom,
I have seen a couple red lettered “WINCHESTER” engraved guns in the 72 and 73 thousand SN range so this one is not out of the question from a timing standpoint. Let me get some photos of those rifles from the owner and I will compare them. Assuming that they are real! 🙁
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
The box label matches the rifle so well that I’d say it’s probably in original configuration. Thanks for your reply.
Tom
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/792428324
None of the polish or bluing is factory original on this rifle. The barrel markings and the receiver roll die logo are not factory original either. The proof marks are also re-struck. The wood is refinished. This entire gun is fabricated.
Nice looking box though.
Good morning all,
I added this rifle to my list of fakes but it also fits in nicely into this thread. This rifle sold at RIA in December of last year for $2070 (!) and was listed as “restored” but also read the description carefully about the “added custom roll die WINCHESTER” stamped on the left side of the receiver. The serial number is 77275 which puts it just 6000 rifles after the rifle in question in this thread. So if anyone ever questioned if these marking “could possible” be after market applied here is a prime example where they are. Only thing missing is a quarter once of red paint wiped into the stamp.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Austin said
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/792428324
None of the polish or bluing is factory original on this rifle. The barrel markings and the receiver roll die logo are not factory original either. The proof marks are also re-struck. The wood is refinished. This entire gun is fabricated.
Nice looking box though.
twobit said
Good morning all,I added this rifle to my list of fakes but it also fits in nicely into this thread. This rifle sold at RIA in December of last year for $2070 (!) and was listed as “restored” but also read the description carefully about the “added custom roll die WINCHESTER” stamped on the left side of the receiver. The serial number is 77275 which puts it just 6000 rifles after the rifle in question in this thread. So if anyone ever questioned if these marking “could possible” be after market applied here is a prime example where they are. Only thing missing is a quarter once of red paint wiped into the stamp.
Michael
Was an octagon barrel even available in this time frame???
Len
Len,
There were many OB Model 61’s in Short only and LR only manufactured during 1946 and early 1947. I am away from my catalogs to see when they were last offered there. They may be pre-war manufactured barrel that were being used after production resumed after the war.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Austin said
$17,000 for a fake 61…
GOOFY, stupid amount of money to pay. Of course the seller is laughing all the way to the bank! And the buyer must obviously not read this or the RFC forums.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
Offline
OUCH!!! Fooled at least two bidders. Sad state of affairs.
Mike
I cry Money Laundering! Why else would you spend that kind of money? Something ain’t right here.
Obsurd.
Maverick
WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/
1 Guest(s)
