Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
New Toy from the Colorado Show
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Great Basin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 493
Member Since:
November 27, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
May 28, 2023 - 6:27 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

It’s not a Winchester, but I thought there might be some interest in seeing the toy I brought back from the Colorado show.  Mark

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1401
Member Since:
July 8, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
May 28, 2023 - 7:31 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark,

That is very fascinating.  And I thought Pratt and Whitney only made airplane engines.Laugh

Al

Avatar
Santa Clara, CA
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 818
Member Since:
January 27, 1992
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
May 28, 2023 - 8:08 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Fascinating to watch.  Unimaginable to my uneducated mind.  Thank you for sharing!  RDB

Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5269
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
May 28, 2023 - 8:43 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Very impressive, Mark. I enjoy being reminded of the engineering that went into a seemingly simple machining job in those days. I’m also impressed by the workmanship and dedication of your new friend from Arkansas. Once set up and adjusted, how many barrels do you estimate a skilled worker could produce in a day? I’m guessing even a small manufacturer would need several of these machines, someone like Winchester would need dozens.

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 612
Member Since:
September 19, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
May 28, 2023 - 9:21 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark,   You finally did it!  Jumped into the deep end of smithing the old rifles!  Amazing equipment and so glad it was salvaged and put into working order.  Enjoy your time with it!  Tim

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1803
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
May 28, 2023 - 9:29 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

This is nothing short of fascinating!  Thank you for sharing this with us.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4397
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
May 28, 2023 - 9:38 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark – 

That is really cool.  Maybe I have a Whitney rifle with a barrel that made on that machine?

Oh, and your teaser – what Colt rifles did Erin pick up?

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1738
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
May 28, 2023 - 10:32 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

  Mark, You are the Man! Congratulations on going all in. T/R

Avatar
Great Basin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 493
Member Since:
November 27, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
May 29, 2023 - 3:11 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Thanks guys!  I’m really looking forward to making correct reproduction barrels on the same kind of machine that made the originals.  I’ve still got a long way to go, but it’ll be one heck of an experience.  Stay tuned for updates.  Mark

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1645
Member Since:
May 23, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
May 29, 2023 - 5:44 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Fascinating!

I think you’ve been bitten by a whole different kind of bug to say the least.

Sincerely,

Maverick

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 609
Member Since:
February 17, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
May 29, 2023 - 11:44 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

that thing is  awesome Mark. How long of a barrel can you make with it?

Avatar
Great Basin
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 493
Member Since:
November 27, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
May 29, 2023 - 1:58 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

oldcrankyyankee said
that thing is  awesome Mark. How long of a barrel can you make with it?

  

In 1915, Stevens was bought out by New England Westinghouse and the plant was tooled up to fill a contract with Czarist Russia for 1.8 million Mosin Nagant rifles.  The rifling machines were modified to rifle 31″ blanks for this order.  When they stretched the machine’s length capacity, they extended it more than needed for those barrels.  From my measurements, I believe there is enough length in the stroke to rifle a 36″ barrel although I would have to fabricate a slightly longer sine bar to make it happen.  There are two of the original cutters that came with the machine, one in 45 caliber and one in 50 caliber, that are 40″ long and would be able to rifle a 36″ barrel.  Mark  

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 160
Member Since:
December 9, 2002
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13
May 29, 2023 - 2:23 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark,

Truly an another amazing video and once again very informative. You’re talents and knowledgeable history valuations are so appreciated by so many of us.

Keep up the good work and tremendous videos! Smile

 

Antonio

Avatar
Wyoming - Gods Country
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1277
Member Since:
January 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14
May 29, 2023 - 7:15 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

So glad to see this piece of history go to your shop, Mark. I can’t think of a better place for it. Seeing that machine over the years at the shows, I never thought about it being for sale. Leave it to Mark to make an offer and haul it home! Great to see you and your lovely bride. See you in Cody.

                                                                               ~Gary~

                                                                                                                                                                              94-SRR.jpg

Avatar
Location: 32000' +
Moderator
Moderator
Forum Posts: 2203
Member Since:
July 17, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
15
May 29, 2023 - 7:20 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Mark,

I stood and was mesmerized by that machine while it was in operation at the show in CO.  I was fascinated by the eccentric gear that is the heart of the system.  It never occurred to me it might be for sale and I am glad you were able to obtain it.  I can’t think of a better home for it!

Best Regards,

WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire

http://rimfirepublications.com/  

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 72
Member Since:
March 8, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
16
May 30, 2023 - 2:21 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Hi Mark,

I liked your video on the P & W rifling machine it was fascinating. Watching a machine work like that makes realize what American know how and industry could create when needed. Sometimes I have to remind myself of what we were capable of at one time by opening the back of an old Walthan watch and to realize the know how of what we could do at that time. I am glad your machine wasn’t scrapped. I own a manufacturing company that started during WW2 (1944) and now nearly 80 years since its inception my company still using some of the original equipment today that it started with back then. In particular we currently use coil winding machines that have War Production numbers on them. Although our shop is equipped with CNC machines we still use old drill presses (Walker-Turner & Buffalo) and Logan Turret lathes. To me it proves there still is a place for these old machines. 

Thanks for sharing!

Rob

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6633
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
17
May 30, 2023 - 3:01 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Robert Drummond Jr said
I liked your video on the P & W rifling machine it was fascinating. Watching a machine work like that makes realize what American know how and industry could create when needed. Sometimes I have to remind myself of what we were capable of at one time by opening the back of an old Walthan watch and to realize the know how of what we could do at that time. I am glad your machine wasn’t scrapped. I own a manufacturing company that started during WW2 (1944) and now nearly 80 years since its inception my company still using some of the original equipment today that it started with back then. In particular we currently use coil winding machines that have War Production numbers on them. Although our shop is equipped with CNC machines we still use old drill presses (Walker-Turner & Buffalo) and Logan Turret lathes. To me it proves there still is a place for these old machines. 
  

If you ever set foot in this place, the American Precision Museum, they’ll have to drag you out the door at closing time, as they did me:  https://www.youtube.com/@AmericanPrecisionMuseum  

And here’s their rifling machine: https://www.menmachineandthecarbine.org/rifling-machine 

It’s in this same building, the former Robbins & Lawrence Armory, that the earliest ancestor of the first Winchester was manufactured, the Jennings Repeating Rifle, which evolved into the Volcanic, then into the Henry.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 139
Member Since:
February 19, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
18
May 30, 2023 - 5:46 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I saw it at the Co. show. Took me a few minutes to figure out what it was. Thanks for the great video.

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
June 7, 2023
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
19
June 7, 2023 - 3:16 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I love it!
I will visit grandpa soon, he said he got anold rifle lend to him by his pal, he showed it to me on video chat, it’s a winchester 1892.
darn!! looking forward!!

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 74
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6633
TXGunNut: 5269
Chuck: 4733
steve004: 4397
1873man: 4360
Big Larry: 2380
twobit: 2326
mrcvs: 1803
TR: 1738
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13033
Posts: 113969

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1820
Members: 9002
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation