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Changing collection direction
December 14, 2020
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deerhunter said

That’s exactly why I’ve avoided military rifles in my collection.  It’s just too risky for me with all the rebuilds and mismatched parts.    

Yes, that’s the problem–as long as they were US property, they were subject to being returned to an armory for inspection & parts replacement. Garands are the worst in this respect–those being sold by CMP are simply parts guns.  Even my excellent cond. ’03, which I was SO sure was “all original,” turned out to have a replaced handguard.

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I have really enjoyed reading this Forum post about what keeps you all motivated and why you do what you do. I have had many similar thoughts and experiences. I too have changed direction, basically because I got old and did not want my wife to have to figure out what to do with 50 old Winchester levers. That may not seem like a lot of guns to some of you, especially Henry Mero, but it is/was a lot to keep track of. I personally have always preferred quality over quantity. But, I have friends who have both and I know many of you do also. I have always had a fascination for the Winchester lever action. My dad gave me a 94 (30-30) when I was 12. With that gun came some advice – he said you only need to own 3 guns and you can do it all – you need a 30-30 Winchester, a 12 guage shotgun and a 22 rimfire. While in high school I would buy an old 94 or 92 at auctions when I could get them for what I could afford. The summer I turned 17 they were building Interstate 90 across western SD where I lived and I got a job building fence – worked 10 hours a day, 6 days a week in the hot sun. When the summer was over, I had saved $1600.00. A guy I had gotten to know who was a gunsmith and owned a gun shop had just acquired a very nice, as nice as there is, Model 1886. It was standard grade, early, case hardened, full octagon, full magazine with a rifle butt in 45-70. I spent much of my entire summer wages to get the gun – my dad thought I was absolutely nuts! A friend of mine, who worked right beside me all summer bought a new 66 Mustang. Forty years later I sold that 86 to Tommy Rholes for a ton of money – way before that my friends Mustang was in the salvage yard! I don’t know that my collection ever had a real theme or focus – I just liked nice levers. So, I would go to either the CGCA or winter Vegas show every year and often buy something. Eventually I had one of each model, both rifles and carbines, standard and deluxe. When I turned 65 I decided to thin the herd and just keep one of each model lever – I never did get quite there and am still working on it. Subsequently, I have decided to just keep one of each model made in the 19th century. I will either have to buy a Model 1885 or just have repeaters because my last single shot sold a few years ago. Once I get down to just the 19th century models my wife should not have any problems dealing with them. Gun collecting has changed so much over the years – too many faked and re-done guns and too many in it for a quick buck. Once thing is evident from reading posts on the Forum, you guys are true collectors. I know all of you prefer a gun show to the internet but guess if it were not for the internet we would not have the Forum. One of the great things about the internet and this Forum is the availability information, especially here on the Forum. If your going to be buying, you certainly need to do your homework or as someone said, eventually you will get burned. I miss old-school collecting, going to gun shows, reading the Shotgun News, Gun List and CADA Gun Journal. There was a time, and not even that long ago, that I found out about good guns in a phone call or a letter – those were the days! I used to get totally pissed because here in Alaska I would not get my CADA Gun Journal until a week after everyone in the lower 48 had theirs.

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Rick Hill said
Bert:  You know that I don’t and if I did, I wouldn’t sell it to you like the last Model 1911 that I had!  

As you know, I sold that 1911 before I could get it out the door to put it in my truck… it was after all just a common U.S. ARMY marked Model 1911.

I do have a “soft spot” for the original Colt Model 1911 though… another one of John M. Browning’s finest creations!

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Burt,

Your dad’s advice was spot on, but with one thing missing… you only need four guns; (1) a Winchester 30-30, a Winchester Model 1897 12-gauge, and Winchester Model 1890 .22 rim fire, and a Colt 1911 .45 ACP. What do they all have in common… John Moses Browning!!

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December 15, 2020
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Burt-

Long ago a wise man told me that same thing your dad told you. I believe the three guns mentioned were almost the same but as I recall the rifle was a 30-06. Like you I missed the word “only”. I have all of the above and I probably have a 1911 (or three). And I believe your dad was right because there’s probably a model 94 30-30 rattling around here someplace. 

I have no heirs to speak of so like you I’ve determined to seek quality over quantity. I love to shoot so will keep “shooters” around as long as I do so. I’ve bought a few guns I shouldn’t have; some too nice and some too rough. I’ll sell those to help refine my collection. 

Today I was looking for a Model 67 Youth model to loan my brother to teach his grandkids to shoot. It was not where I thought it was so I practically emptied the safe. While doing so I was surprised to learn my 71 is a Special (Deluxe) model. It’s right there in my inventory. Embarassed I suppose if I’m going to refine my focus I truly need to thin the herd. But the 71 stays. Turns out it’s a pretty nice rifle!

 

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Burt-

Long ago a wise man told me that same thing your dad told you. I believe the three guns mentioned were almost the same but as I recall the rifle was a 30-06. Like you I missed the word “only”. I have all of the above and I probably have a 1911 (or three). And I believe your dad was right because there’s probably a model 94 30-30 rattling around here someplace. 

I have no heirs to speak of so like you I’ve determined to seek quality over quantity. I love to shoot so will keep “shooters” around as long as I do so. I’ve bought a few guns I shouldn’t have; some too nice and some too rough. I’ll sell those to help refine my collection. 

Today I was looking for a Model 67 Youth model to loan my brother to teach his grandkids to shoot. It was not where I thought it was so I practically emptied the safe. While doing so I was surprised to learn my 71 is a Special (Deluxe) model. It’s right there in my inventory. Embarassed I suppose if I’m going to refine my focus I truly need to thin the herd. But the 71 stays. Turns out it’s a pretty nice rifle!

 

Mike  

Mike – submit some photos of your 71. It is still very popular here in Alaska and is know as a hardy and reliable gun that both provides bear protection and will put meat on the table. I once had quite a few 71’s and realized a guy could put together quite a collection/display of all the variations when you consider carbines and rifles, special order (deluxe) and standard, short tang and long tang, different sights and then there are the non-348 calibers which Bert has previously provided information about both on the Forum and in a Collector Magazine article. I will add a couple of photos of the only 71 I still have – been in my safe over 40 years but I will sell it if anyone is interested. Burt

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gun-room-1.jpegImage EnlargerI, too, have a problem. I must confess I am a “Hoarder”. There was a little methodology to the madness!!! I found my addiction was genetic! My father got me addicted. Damn him!!! Now I just have to “infect” my 2 sons.

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I’m sorry Burt, I couldn’t find any pics of my 71. Other than being almost as nice as yours there’s nothing remarkable about it. SN is 27453 (yes, Bert, you have it) and I’m betting that’s pretty close to yours. 

 

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Burt   Your Father was a wise man. however He probably didn’t see the potential in the old firearms, I don’t think I could have got into another “hobby” that has brought Me so much pleasure, the people I,ve met, the friends I’ve made across both countries, plus a couple of Aussies, the knowledge I’ve aquired and the history I’ve learned of the development of Canada and the U.S.. Plus this is not to mention the investment potential. Oh ya I’ve been “stung” a few times but chalked it up to the cost of education, but on the other hand I have made a lot of very financially rewarding purchases. Yes I’ve had a lot of old guns over the years and a lot of nice, and unique ones but like Your Pa said ; My favorites are a , ’94 , 30-30, a Henry Golden Boy .22 and a Stevens “Dreadnaught” 12 ga. s.s. with 36″ bbl.that I’ve had for about 50 years. By the way I am envious of Your rack, (picture) , some nice pieces there. And for You 1911 guys I’ve only ever owned one and just couldn’t take a shine to it, I still think there is nothing more handsome, and comfortable, “handgun” wise, than a 1873 Colt s.a.a..20201112_105403.jpgImage Enlarger20201112_105451.jpgImage Enlarger Have a wonderful day folks.

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That’s one beautiful Colt SAA you have Henry.

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Burt   Your Father was a wise man. however He probably didn’t see the potential in the old firearms, I don’t think I could have got into another “hobby” that has brought Me so much pleasure, the people I,ve met, the friends I’ve made across both countries, plus a couple of Aussies, the knowledge I’ve aquired and the history I’ve learned of the development of Canada and the U.S.. Plus this is not to mention the investment potential. Oh ya I’ve been “stung” a few times but chalked it up to the cost of education, but on the other hand I have made a lot of very financially rewarding purchases. Yes I’ve had a lot of old guns over the years and a lot of nice, and unique ones but like Your Pa said ; My favorites are a , ’94 , 30-30, a Henry Golden Boy .22 and a Stevens “Dreadnaught” 12 ga. s.s. with 36″ bbl.that I’ve had for about 50 years. By the way I am envious of Your rack, (picture) , some nice pieces there. And for You 1911 guys I’ve only ever owned one and just couldn’t take a shine to it, I still think there is nothing more handsome, and comfortable, “handgun” wise, than a 1873 Colt s.a.a..20201112_105403.jpgImage Enlarger20201112_105451.jpgImage Enlarger Have a wonderful day folks.  

That is a beautiful colt Henry!  I only have two.  One a first generatin 38-40 that i bought with a matching model 92 with double set triggers and 26″ barrel.  Both came off a ranch in the town i live in.  the other is a US Marked Calvary.  One of 8 nickeled 7 1/2″ issued to either the NY Militia as  an Officer gun or Indian Scout.     I’m on the wait list for John Kopec to take a look at it.  It is mentioned in his book by the serial number.

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Hi Manuel : this Colt is ser#175766, 1898 vintage, and yes it is quite a piece, thank You

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Rick, this rifle was absolutely as new.  After being sold from the collection one collector had it for many years and he is the one that owned it when RIA sold it.

I hate to hear these called Enfields.  Yes, I know they are mostly the same but are modified to shoot the 30-06.  Winchester called them U.S. Rifle, Caliber 30 Model of 1917.  Many collectors call them an Enfield.

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Chuck said

I hate to hear these called Enfields.  Yes, I know they are mostly the same but are modified to shoot the 30-06.  Winchester called them U.S. Rifle, Caliber 30 Model of 1917.  Many collectors call them an Enfield.  

I call them M1917s too, but the Enfield name is a good reminder that it was not a US design–hence the cock-on-closing action.

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1873man said
I have seen some guns that have pushed the 100% and they get too scary for me. You just can’t tell what real at that point.

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My feeling as well.  

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