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One doesn’t find one of these every day. Not My thing and not real popular but for a gun made in 1905 in this condition I had to bring it home20221129_094151.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094157.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094204.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094231.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094236.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094242.jpgImage Enlarger20221129_094329.jpgImage Enlarger

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Very nice!  Winchester did not make many of the Fancy Model 1905 rifles.  The list price for a Fancy Model 1905 rifle in the October 1905 catalog was $43.

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Wonderful piece.  I’ve owned a few.  Never anything that nice.  Nice and early too.  

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Now you just need to find some ammo!

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I got about 40 rounds in a beat up blue box and looking for a full box

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 A friend of mine has one of these rifles.Have shot it a few times.Fun rifle to shoot.He makes his own ammo as factory loads are hard to come by and expensive when found.:)

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I don’t delve into these models too much, but, however, the same rules apply to these as would other models, such as the Models 1866, 1873, 1886, 1892, & 1894, which are the models I am the most interested in.  Collect rifles & carbines that are factory original and if a deviation from factory original, with the exception of perhaps eyelets for swing swivels, then move on.  Unfortunately, your rifle has a compass mounted in the stock.  Thus, while nice, it precludes me, and I would think most other collectors, from seriously entertaining the idea of adding this rifle to their collection.

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I wonder if the compass in the buttstock was factory?

Great survivor / closet gun! Don’t see those much ever.

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Maverick said
I wonder if the compass in the buttstock was factory?

If it’s not in the letter…it didn’t happen.

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mrcvs said

Maverick said

I wonder if the compass in the buttstock was factory?

If it’s not in the letter…it didn’t happen.

I don’t necessary disagree with your statement, but don’t wholeheartedly agree. Lets face it, it did happen, the how being the important part.

 

So in your mind’s eye, someone took a 95% condition gun, drilled a hole in the stock and plopped a compass in it well after the fact? Or you believe it to have been done when the gun was new by non-factory gunsmith or the like?

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Maverick said

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Maverick said

I wonder if the compass in the buttstock was factory?

If it’s not in the letter…it didn’t happen.

So in your mind’s eye, someone took a 95% condition gun, drilled a hole in the stock and plopped a compass in it well after the fact? Or you believe it to have been done when the gun was new by non-factory gunsmith or the like?  

One or the other.  It doesn’t matter the means to the end, just that the work is not factory.

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Maverick said

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I wonder if the compass in the buttstock was factory?

If it’s not in the letter…it didn’t happen.

I don’t necessary disagree with your statement, but don’t wholeheartedly agree. Lets face it, it did happen, the how being the important part.

So in your mind’s eye, someone took a 95% condition gun, drilled a hole in the stock and plopped a compass in it well after the fact? Or you believe it to have been done when the gun was new by non-factory gunsmith or the like?

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The compass was not installed by Winchester.  Instead, it was installed by a non-factory entity.  Somewhere buried deep in my research material, I have a reference document that mentions a specific retail company that installed compasses in the butt stock of the firearms they sold to the public.

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mrcvs said One or the other.  It doesn’t matter the means to the end, just that the work is not factory.

Well obviously a factory installed compass would be preferred. But a “Period” installed compass is way better than one put on two years ago.

 

If a retail store chain modified guns by adding compasses to them. I don’t see much negative impact to the gun. Its not like the John Q public had much say so on showing up to said chain and buying the guns they had already modified. 

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IMHO, the compass, not being factory, really detracts from this, even if period.

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this was the thing to do back in the 50’s many places sold these such as herters , polychoke, marbles etc.  Ive seen plenty of savages , marlins and winchesters from the 50’s era with one in stock. people with earlier produced guns also joined in as well at that time adding them to all models.  I recall about 20 years back a guy asking me at a gun show if I knew where he could get a vintage compass to put in the stock of his 1892 winchester. he actually had the gun in his car so we went out to take a look. it was a 90% 44-40 takedown ! he had no clue. I bought it and got it away from him… 

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I have a M55 .30WCF in very high condition.  It has a small compass mounted in the top of the buttstock.  Even though it was probably done very long ago – it detracts a lot.

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Jeez I was just sharing some photos of a fairly rare gun in nice condition, I didn’t need for it to be tore apart Ian, nor did I ask for opinion of value, even though it’s well below Your collectable standards, because of the compass , it is well within My standards, to each His own , eh. Thanks for the info Bert.

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Henry,

That’s a great rifle in beautiful condition. I think the compass adds to the history of it to a time long before we had gps and cell phones to rely on.  Looks like whoever added it did a very neat job. I don’t think it detracts at all.

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