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1885 .32 IDEAL
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March 13, 2021 - 11:52 pm

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I just got this piece home; 1885 .32 IDEAL, 30 ” oct. bbl., #1, ser#114655, set trigger, cres. butt. Lyman sights. My question, is this sight correct for this gun , I don’t recall seeing this sight on another gun , what is it. What does a .32 Ideal cartridge look like

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RickC
March 14, 2021 - 12:06 am

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Nice gun Henry.

And the winder musket will arrive Monday. Thanks.

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March 14, 2021 - 1:00 am

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Henry Mero said
I just got this piece home; 1885 .32 IDEAL, 30 ” oct. bbl., #1, ser#114655, set trigger, cres. butt. Lyman sights. My question, is this sight correct for this gun , I don’t recall seeing this sight on another gun , what is it. What does a .32 Ideal cartridge look like 

WS codes for the M. 90 family.  The #47 wind-guage stem could be bought separately to use in any Lyman tang sight.  Or if bought together, it’s a #52A.  Worth $350+.

.32 Ideal is a straight sided case designed by Stevens holding about 25 g. BP.  Pick up an Ideal Handbook repro from WW1 period & you’ll find complete info about it.

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March 14, 2021 - 2:31 am

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The .32 Ideal is a rare chambering in the Winchester single-shot.  Supposed to be a very accurate cartridge.

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March 14, 2021 - 4:09 am

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Here’s a box of .32 IDEAL ammo that recently sold at Ward’s Auction.

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=30091

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March 14, 2021 - 4:26 am

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steve004 said
The .32 Ideal is a rare chambering in the Winchester single-shot.  Supposed to be a very accurate cartridge.  

I do not classify it as a “rare” cartridge in the Single Shot. Instead, I put it in the “uncommon” category.  The total production was most likely to be in the 275 – 280 range.  There were (267) that letter, and with Henry’s new low-wall, that makes (3) 32 Ideal rifles in the non-letterable range.

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March 14, 2021 - 5:34 am

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I recently bought 60 new .32 Ideal cases for my High Wall and bought a set of loading dies on eBay so there is interest in this old cartridge.

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March 14, 2021 - 12:37 pm

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Nice , Thank You Clarence for the sight info. And thanks for all the other info. This is the only gun on My rack I don’t have ammo for, but I’ll find some.

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March 14, 2021 - 2:16 pm

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The .32 Ideal brass I have were made by Bertram Brass from Australia but available online by a number of suppliers in North America. 

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March 14, 2021 - 3:05 pm

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Dave K. said
The .32 Ideal brass I have were made by Bertram Brass from Australia but available online by a number of suppliers in North America.   

Don’t know about this brass, but other Bertram’s cases have acquired a reputation for splitting at the mouth after very few firings, because the brass is too hard, leading to warnings that they should be annealed before repeated reloads.

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March 14, 2021 - 5:52 pm

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clarence said

Don’t know about this brass, but other Bertram’s cases have acquired a reputation for splitting at the mouth after very few firings, because the brass is too hard, leading to warnings that they should be annealed before repeated reloads.  

Thanks, I have read the same thing about Bertram but I got mine at a bargain price so thought I would give them a try. I could anneal the brass as I havent reloaded any of them yet.

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March 14, 2021 - 6:22 pm

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Ya, I’ll be looking for original boxed ammo like was sold at Ward;s

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RickC
March 14, 2021 - 6:33 pm

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Henry Mero said
Ya, I’ll be looking for original boxed ammo like was sold at Ward;s  

If anyone can find it, I know you can Henry!!

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March 14, 2021 - 7:44 pm

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Bert H. said

steve004 said
The .32 Ideal is a rare chambering in the Winchester single-shot.  Supposed to be a very accurate cartridge.  

I do not classify it as a “rare” cartridge in the Single Shot. Instead, I put it in the “uncommon” category.  The total production was most likely to be in the 275 – 280 range.  There were (267) that letter, and with Henry’s new low-wall, that makes (3) 32 Ideal rifles in the non-letterable range.  

Bert – based on your comments, I would think you would be in strong disagreement with the, “expert” on Pawn Stars.  I saw a clip this morning where a customer brought in an ’86 Winchester that had been handed down to him from his grandfather.  The, “Old Man,” while bloviating much Winchester knowledge, said the .45-90 was, “very rare.”  Then, they got one of their outside, “experts” to weigh-in.  He confirmed the .45-90 was rare and also stated it was the rarest caliber the M1886 was made in.  We can only imagine what their group of experts would say about a .32 Ideal LaughLaugh  Oh, it was amusing as they paid $3500 for a no blue rifle that had been refinished, wood oversanded and the barrel/mag tube shortened.  They stated the rarity of the caliber overshadowed all of these other factors.

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March 14, 2021 - 8:01 pm

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steve004 said

Bert – based on your comments, I would think you would be in strong disagreement with the, “expert” on Pawn Stars.  I saw a clip this morning where a customer brought in an ’86 Winchester that had been handed down to him from his grandfather.  The, “Old Man,” while bloviating much Winchester knowledge, said the .45-90 was, “very rare.”  Then, they got one of their outside, “experts” to weigh-in.  He confirmed the .45-90 was rare and also stated it was the rarest caliber the M1886 was made in.  We can only imagine what their group of experts would say about a .32 Ideal LaughLaugh  Oh, it was amusing as they paid $3500 for a no blue rifle that had been refinished, wood oversanded and the barrel/mag tube shortened.  They stated the rarity of the caliber overshadowed all of these other factors.  

Steve,

Those guys on Pawn Stars are quintessentially ignorant when it comes to most of the old firearms that they buy, and their so-called “experts” are only marginally less ignorant.  They will learn an expensive lesson when they try selling it.

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March 14, 2021 - 8:07 pm

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Bert H. said

Steve,

Those guys on Pawn Stars are quintessentially ignorant when it comes to most of the old firearms that they buy, and their so-called “experts” are only marginally less ignorant.  They will learn an expensive lesson when they try selling it.

Bert  

I agree Bert.  For me, the show reminds me of a show from way back – The Three Stooges!  Seriously, would it have been that difficult to find someone who actually knew something to provide input on the show?  I guess it wasn’t necessary.  And they’re the ones laughing all the way to the bank.

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March 14, 2021 - 8:09 pm

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Bert H. said

Steve,

Those guys on Pawn Stars are quintessentially ignorant when it comes to most of the old firearms that they buy, and their so-called “experts” are only marginally less ignorant.  They will learn an expensive lesson when they try selling it.

Bert  

The firearms segments were one reason I quit watching that show for anything other than entertainment value. There are few things as fake as “reality” TV. Reality TV is one reason I don’t watch TV any more. 

 

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March 14, 2021 - 8:25 pm

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Bert H. said

Steve,

Those guys on Pawn Stars are quintessentially ignorant when it comes to most of the old firearms that they buy, and their so-called “experts” are only marginally less ignorant.  They will learn an expensive lesson when they try selling it.

Bert  

Since the whole BS act is put on for the TV camera, they don’t have to worry about selling it–they just hand it back to the stooge who brought it in; that is, if they didn’t previously provide it to the same stooge so he’d have something to bring in!  Phony from beginning to end.

Their one “expert” who seems to have some minimal credibility is the older man who’s supposed to be director of a local museum.  However, I found out even he was wrong about a CW belt buckle.

The young guy from Int. Mil. Antiques is simply another member of the cast.  I bought a WWI helmet on ebay for less than half what IMA asks for the same helmets on their website–and they had around a hundred of them!

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March 14, 2021 - 10:48 pm

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I stopped into their shop one time several years ago when I happened to be in Las Vegas.  I think the show was quite popular at the time.  None of the cast was there of course. The place was a small dump.  They make it look much larger by manipulating the filming angles.  I agree with other’s comments – “reality TV” is about as far from reality you can get.  At least when it comes to firearms, I suspect 99% of people watching don’t know that what they are saying is B.S.  As annoying as it is, it doesn’t make sense that the producers would have any concern about making it more accurate.  And yes, it is surely all staged and scripted.  The only difference between this and the old, “Three Stooges” show is that Pawn Stars has more than three stooges.

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March 14, 2021 - 11:02 pm

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Back to the OP, that’s an interesting cartridge. 150 grain bullet nudged out of the case by 26 grains of powder? Sounds like a good prospect for garden or chicken coop pest control or short range target work. Could be fun. 

 

Mike

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