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August 29, 2016
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   Brad              I think it would be very appropriate and informative to include the later,Post 1964, Winchesters in magazine  articles. There are a lot of nice collections of later 94,s and commemorative out there that pretty much go ignored by us”old time” collectors. Accurate information on some of these guns  is very hard to come by.        Harry

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September 2, 2016
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Maybe so. Those are the guns that got me interested in Winchesters and tomorrow’s collectors are likely attracted to them as well. Commemorative rifles are usually well-made rifles that are often very attractive but almost always poor investments. I own one but mainly because it was a new gun priced like a shooter and very attractive to boot. BATFE actually has some pretty good info on them, as I recently discovered.

Personally I’m not much interested in commemoratives or the later Miroku offerings but I do own & enjoy several of the “later” Winchesters, some of which are now over 40 years old. OTOH I open the magazine to read and learn about older Winchesters and shifting or broadening that focus may not benefit WACA or the magazine.

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September 2, 2016
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Gotta agree with TXGunNut’s philosophy.  Back in 1972 I bought a new, in the box, Golden Spike carbine for $125.  (I believe those came out in 1969.)  At the time new 30-30 carbines were going for $90.   I was in my 20’s the and this was my first Winchester purchase (2nd overall) since my original pre-64 30-30 I bought used when I was 19 ($50).  So, this purchase made me an official collector now.  I never fired the Golden Spike, but hung it on the wall in my home office and admired it from a distance when I worked at my desk.  Over time I came to realize that the appeal of that issue, for me, was really the story of the Golden Spike and the Transcontinental Railroad building, rather than the gun itself, a part of Americana I was ignorant of at the time.  Western movies (and TV shows), the taming of the old West and collecting old Winchesters all seemed to go hand in hand back then.

As time went on Winchester kept pouring out new commemoratives so frequently that it became obvious their intent was merely to boost sagging sales of the venerable Model 94.  Over the years I gradually evolved from gathering anything Winchester that had a lever action and that I could afford, to acquiring only pre-1931 lever action Winchesters made when Winchester was Winchester and not Olin or USRA or Miroku.

Just one grizzled old f_ _ _’s opinion.

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September 2, 2016
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Henry Mero said
   Brad              I think it would be very appropriate and informative to include the later,Post 1964, Winchesters in magazine  articles. There are a lot of nice collections of later 94,s and commemorative out there that pretty much go ignored by us”old time” collectors. Accurate information on some of these guns  is very hard to come by.        Harry  

Some of the regular WACA members display Commemoratives at shows.  Dan Shuey actually had a nice article in Winter 2016 about the 32-40 John Wayne Commemorative, which also flirted with the subject of celebrities and Winchesters,  if I remember correct.  If someone writes a good article about Winchester after 1964, that would be just fine.  I have a hard time imagining coverage of post ’64 items taking over the magazine however and, as I mentioned in the other thread, the content is largely based on what WACA members submit.    

Here are a few more ideas for some of our writers out there:  I think cartridge box collecting is a popular subject that is very well suited for nice, accompanying images.  Model 52, 54, 70 etc. collectors that frequent this forum might find a large audience for more articles on those rifles as well.   

Thanks for the suggestions guys.  

Brad

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September 2, 2016
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How about an article or articles on the 9422.  These great little .22s are what I first started collecting, and there seems to be a lot of 9422 collectors out there.

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September 3, 2016
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I enjoyed the recent cartridge box thread and would benefit from an educational article on the subject. I suspect many collectors collect boxes but I must admit I know very little about them.

First Winchester I fired was probably a 52 at scout camp but the first one I remember was a 9422 a few years later. Beautiful little rifle owned by a friend’s dad. I suspect many members had a similar experience. Someday I’ll add a 9422 to my collection so an article on them might be helpful. OTOH a 73 or 52 in 22 would be more in line with my recent interests.

I enjoyed the article on the John Wayne commemorative rifles, IMHO it’s the only rifle of it’s type that may have been a good investment. I think the “collectable” mentality is a bit different and at odds with the “collector” mentality. “Collectables” are expressly manufactured to be sold to people who feel the item will increase in value due to it’s connection to a person or time in history. Any increase in value would, in my opinion, be due to hype and I refuse to invest in something I don’t understand. I prefer items that were actually present during those times and I feel that’s more in line with the “collector” mentality. Real guns that have been there, done that.

JMHO, of course.

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September 4, 2016
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  Talking of appreciating in value. Some of the first commemoratives I purchased for $100.00 -$150.00, not so many years ago, those same guns are now selling in the $800.00 -$1200.00 range, or more. I,d say that wasn,t a bad investment. About 6 years ago I purchased a whole 113 piece collection of commemoratives for $70,000.00(a rather large investment for Me). Isold this collection about 3 years ago for about double that. Thats not to bad of a return on My 3 year investment , at least by My figurin’. Iwish I could be so fortunate with some of My antique Winchesters.  The other point I was making about including post ’64,s in the Collector is this. Wouldn,t it have been nice today, if someone , in the late 1800,s and early 1900,s had a regular magazine devoted to researching and articleing 30 to 40 year old Winchesters while they were still relatively “new”, with lots of 1st hand information available. Think of the accurate information that We’d have today on the various early models. It sure would have eliminated a lot of 3rd hand information, speculation and individual “opinions” on the proper configuration  of certain guns and factory practices.      Harry

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September 5, 2016
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It seems I’ve helped make your point, Harry. I know very little about commemoratives and collectables so maybe it would do me good to know a bit more about them. I don’t wear the “collector” label very well because I always buy collector guns that I can shoot, commemorative guns that have been fired are generally just attractive “shooters” in my experience. I won’t argue that there’s money to be made in the collectable market, my point is that I don’t understand it. I dabble in the stock market a bit and I’ll wager you one ice cold Coca-Cola that $150-200 in Janus 20, Berkshire Hathaway or even an S&P 500 index fund would have done as well as your early commemorative purchases….but guns are more fun! Quite honestly I haven’t made a dime off my collector Winchesters but I have bought a few at what I think (hope) was well under market value, much as you probably did when you bought that collection of commemoratives. You obviously knew the market and represented the collection well when you sold it so your knowledge of the commemorative market is considerable. In most cases I’m too busy shooting and enjoying my old Winchesters to sell them so I can’t say for sure they’ll be good investments.

Have you thought about writing an article on commemoratives? We all run across them so a little knowledge may come in handy someday.

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September 5, 2016
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The newer commemoratives may not be ripe for the magazine but someone interestered in them maybe should start a thread collecting info on them so it becomes established.

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I’d like to see an article (or series of articles) about the (relatively) unsung heroes of Winchester. John and Matt Browning, T. G. Bennett, William Mason, T. C. Johnson, Edwin Pugsley, et al. Maybe even Oliver F, the shirtmaker. Just a brief bio and some general interest items. I suspect each have probably been given several inches of column space over the years but in recent weeks and months (OK, years) I’ve gained a new appreciation for these gentlemen. Yes, I know Pugsley was not especially likeable but I wonder if CFM would exist in it’s present form, if at all, without his influence. It’s no surprise that John and Matt Browning were very good shots with rifles and shotguns. I’d love to see JMB on a trap field with a Citori, pretty sure he would kick my butt!

Yes, we collect Winchesters. I do it because I can’t shake hands with the lucky soul who removed my Winchester from the factory packaging any more than I can shake hands with the folks that put that Winchester into the box. I do feel I owe them something and getting to know them better is a step in the right direction.

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That’s interesting, Campbell’s second book on single shots addresses that subject quite well. It contains bios of all the folks I’ve been curious about, except maybe Matt Browning. 

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