Good job, Mark. Turned out very well, made it look easy. I’ve had mule deer hang out and watch me shoot in Raton, they do seem to know when they’re not threatened.

Mike

Another great one.  I have never removed a barrel on an 86 or 92 so this was very informative.  I have a barrel vise but no receiver vise.  Now I know what I need.  Wish my 40-65 shot that well.

Bill Hockett said
Thank you, Mark.  Great video!  I always learn something.  I have this Model 1876 in .40-60 WCF that I’m waiting on good weather to test out.  For sights it has the same setup as your rifle.  I have always liked the Beach combination sight.

I don’t have dies for this rifle.  Just using an original Winchester 1880 reloading tool and mold.  The mold drops 210 grain pills which are supposed to work with the .40-60’s twist.  As I recall, the .40-65 WCF (same as .40-60 Marlin) uses a 260 grain pill.  Maybe it had different twist?

  

Bill you are correct.  The 210 grain bullet was standard for the 40-60.  This case is shorter than the 40-60 Marlin and Colt Lightning Magazine Rifle.

Bert H. said

50-95 W.C.F. {Winchester Express}	1879	1:60	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50-100-450 {Express}	1892	?	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-110 Express}	1892	1:54	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-140 EX}	1880	?	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5

Bert the Dow Book has a different number for the 50-110 and has a number for 50-100-450.

It doesn’t have numbers for the 22 Stevens, 45-90 Ballard, & 50-140 Express.

Sincerely,

Maverick

JWA said
Maverick,

At the risk of sounding dumb, what is the “Dow Book” ?  I don’t think I have ever seen it and it looks informative.

Thanks!

Jeffery, I’d thought you’d known about this one. Its an interesting read through for those detail oriented individuals such as yourself.

http://library.centerofthewest.org/digital/collection/p17097coll30/id/4107/rec/2

steve004 said

This is from a post I made on this topic a couple of years ago:

I’ve been studying various .50-110’s and .50-100-450’s that have come up for auction in recent years.  I also re-read Jim Paul and Tom Adams summer, 2012 article on the .50-100-450.  It sounds like the 50-100-450 had a rate of twist of one turn in 54 inches.  This was (at least for some rifles that were examined) marked on the underside of the barrel.  The .50-110 had a rate of twist of one turn in 60 inches and this apparently is not typically observed to be marked on the underside of the barrel.

Steve, I have no idea as too how they were marked on the underside of the barrel. To your above statement, the DOW book is in agreement with your assessment regarding rate of twist.

Sincerely,

Maverick

Bert H. said
I read through that entire “Dow book” late last night, and do not understand what its purpose was, and why all of the very unrelated information and notes were recorded in it. It is a very confusing document to say the least!

Bert,

I currently don’t recall what H.B. Dow’s position at Winchester was, but he was in a supervisor / department head type position. I believe I have it written down somewhere. My understanding is that the book is simply his own work related record / notes he started in 1900 when transferring notes from an older ledger dated from 1896. I think its interesting when looking at this book and C.H. Griffith’s book from an employee perspective. They thought it was important enough to write it down. It simply appears to have various topics of importance in alphabetical order. For example under ‘P’, he notes info about patents and primers. 

I thought you find the note on page 37 about S.S. rifles in .577 Eley Express to be interesting. 1st 6 went to a company in Calcutta, 1 to the Winchester NY store, 1 to New Albany, Indiana, 1 to a Mr. Stinson in New York. Do you show there to be more than “9” single shot rifles in .577 Eley Ex? If so, I wonder how many were made after 1900? 

I wish more of these type employee document records would be found.

Sincerely,

Maverick

Bert H. said

Maverick said

Bert H. said

50-95 W.C.F. {Winchester Express}	1879	1:60	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50-100-450 {Express}	1892	?	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-110 Express}	1892	1:54	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-140 EX}	1880	?	30-inch	No. 3	No. 2, 4, 5

Bert the Dow Book has a different number for the 50-110 and has a number for 50-100-450.

It doesn’t have numbers for the 22 Stevens, 45-90 Ballard, & 50-140 Express.

Sincerely,

Maverick

  

Brady,

I derived my listing directly from Winchester’s published literature, but admittedly, I compiled it more than 20-years ago.  I will see if I can find any updated information.

  

So the Dow book has a different number for the .50-110.  I wonder if anyone has one that they could measure?  Given the very slow rate of twist, this (in my mind) would not be easy to measure).  If you use the cleaning rod with a tight patch method and a mark on the rod, in a standard length barrel, that mark is only going to make about a half rotation.