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I located what appears to be an untouched (i.e., unmolested) Winchester Model 55 serial # 2909, nickel steel barrel that looks good; receiver bluing turned brownish, not flaky; barrel 50% with some hold areas turned silver and some areas closer to barrel that appear to have been sanded a bit; the furniture looks 70% with primarily dark staining from oil near the receiver…no drilled holes/taps/ and screws are nice; action is tight and barrel looks nice with clean, square rifling

Refusing to sell below $1450…thoughts…anything I should look for…it seems top-end for takedown, common 30WCF

also has a pop-up tang mounted disc site , not sure if considered standard equipment but have seen many with the same site on it.

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It sounds like a reasonable selling price to me, especially with a tang sight attached.

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Bert H. said
It sounds like a reasonable selling price to me, especially with a tang sight attached.

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thank you.  I believe you are conducting a survey on model 55?  if so, have you run across that serial number before…I imagine it is 2nd or 3rd year…

is there a primary manufacturer of tang sites, marbles? and would that be factory installed, or just aftermarket…it also has intact front and rear sites.

 

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I located what appears to be an untouched (i.e., unmolested) Winchester Model 55…some areas closer to barrel that appear to have been sanded a bit…

Just to clarify, you state you located a Winchester Model 55 that is unmolested, and then you state some areas have been sanded.  So, therefore, it is not unmolested.  Pay accordingly!  I’m not saying that $1450 is too much, or too little, for this rifle, I’m just pointing out this dichotomy.

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I like the gun as described, Brian, mainly because of the tang sight and early serial number. OTOH there weren’t a lot of 55’s made so the low serial # may not be a big deal. I’d check with Cody about the tang sight, could prove interesting.

 

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bryan fleck said

Bert H. said

It sounds like a reasonable selling price to me, especially with a tang sight attached.

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Bert, 

thank you.  I believe you are conducting a survey on model 55?  if so, have you run across that serial number before…I imagine it is 2nd or 3rd year…

is there a primary manufacturer of tang sites, marbles? and would that be factory installed, or just aftermarket…it also has intact front and rear sites.

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Yes, I am still surveying the Model 55, and No, I had not yet encountered this rifle yet.  S/N 2909 was manufactured late in the 2nd year (December 1925).

Typically, a Lyman No. 1A tang sight was installed if ordered.  More than likely, the sight on it was added after the fact.  It could be a Lyman, Marbles, or a King.

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Bert H. said

bryan fleck said

Bert H. said

It sounds like a reasonable selling price to me, especially with a tang sight attached.

Bert

Bert, 

thank you.  I believe you are conducting a survey on model 55?  if so, have you run across that serial number before…I imagine it is 2nd or 3rd year…

is there a primary manufacturer of tang sites, marbles? and would that be factory installed, or just aftermarket…it also has intact front and rear sites.

Brian

Yes, I am still surveying the Model 55, and No, I had not yet encountered this rifle yet.  S/N 2909 was manufactured late in the 2nd year (December 1925).

Typically, a Lyman No. 1A tang sight was installed if ordered.  More than likely, the sight on it was added after the fact.  It could be a Lyman, Marbles, or a King.

Bert

  

Bert et al,

First, thank you for your thoughts and correction.  It has been messed with , the screw heads upon closer inspection are not perfect, and the barrel has been sanded in certain areas (IMO).  The tang is marbles, so probably added afterwards.  I did buy it, but may cancel within 10 days.  The LGS said in their opinion it was not messed with.  I took photos to a respected LGS 40 miles north in a different town, and had their “Winchester” guy take a look at some pics.  He believes at one point, someone sanded the receiver and then instead of living white areas, doctored it with blueing not to imitate Winchester new look, but instead to make it look worn, so it has a grayish hue.  When I showed photos zoomed in on receiver you can see old pitting.  It may be a fair price at $1450, but I am thinking paying $2200 for an original finish that is at 50% may make me more comfortable.  I am a collector that cannot afford “collector grade” but like the idea of an honest gun.  Thanks for researching the serial or adding to list…

In other news, I did find a model 64 in 32spc with deluxe stock that is 90% all original but asking $2600

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bryan fleck said

Bert H. said

bryan fleck said

Bert H. said

It sounds like a reasonable selling price to me, especially with a tang sight attached.

Bert

Bert, 

thank you.  I believe you are conducting a survey on model 55?  if so, have you run across that serial number before…I imagine it is 2nd or 3rd year…

is there a primary manufacturer of tang sites, marbles? and would that be factory installed, or just aftermarket…it also has intact front and rear sites.

Brian

Yes, I am still surveying the Model 55, and No, I had not yet encountered this rifle yet.  S/N 2909 was manufactured late in the 2nd year (December 1925).

Typically, a Lyman No. 1A tang sight was installed if ordered.  More than likely, the sight on it was added after the fact.  It could be a Lyman, Marbles, or a King.

Bert

  

Bert et al,

First, thank you for your thoughts and correction.  It has been messed with , the screw heads upon closer inspection are not perfect, and the barrel has been sanded in certain areas (IMO).  The tang is marbles, so probably added afterwards.  I did buy it, but may cancel within 10 days.  The LGS said in their opinion it was not messed with.  I took photos to a respected LGS 40 miles north in a different town, and had their “Winchester” guy take a look at some pics.  He believes at one point, someone sanded the receiver and then instead of living white areas, doctored it with blueing not to imitate Winchester new look, but instead to make it look worn, so it has a grayish hue.  When I showed photos zoomed in on receiver you can see old pitting.  It may be a fair price at $1450, but I am thinking paying $2200 for an original finish that is at 50% may make me more comfortable.  I am a collector that cannot afford “collector grade” but like the idea of an honest gun.  Thanks for researching the serial or adding to list…

In other news, I did find a model 64 in 32spc with deluxe stock that is 90% all original but asking $2600  

I’d return it.  By sanding, I thought you meant the wood.  That’s not as bad as “sanding” the metal, although I prefer original firearms.  But you mean it’s been buffed.  And there’s pitting as well.  Sounds like, to me, in the bottom 5 or 10%, condition-wise, of existing Model 55 rifles.

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Based on your update description of the Model 55, it most likely is not worth the $1,450 asking price… maybe half that amount.

What is the serial number on the Model 64 Deer Rifle ?

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Good eye, I’ll sometimes buy an honest gun that lacks condition but I think you’ve learned this may not be an honest gun. The 64 is a better gun for a collector. 

 

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Based on your update description of the Model 55, it most likely is not worth the $1,450 asking price… maybe half that amount.

What is the serial number on the Model 64 Deer Rifle ?

  

Model 64 deluxe .32 sec 1677202.  

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Bert H. said

Based on your update description of the Model 55, it most likely is not worth the $1,450 asking price… maybe half that amount.

What is the serial number on the Model 64 Deer Rifle ?

  

Model 64 deluxe .32 sec 1677202.  

  

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That is a consecutive serial numbered identical Model 64 Deer Rifle.  I have serial number 1677201 documented in my survey in the same configuration.  S/N 1677203 is a Standard Model 64 rifle in 30-30.

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bryan fleck said

Bert H. said

Based on your update description of the Model 55, it most likely is not worth the $1,450 asking price… maybe half that amount.

What is the serial number on the Model 64 Deer Rifle ?

  

Model 64 deluxe .32 sec 1677202.  

  

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That is a consecutive serial numbered identical Model 64 Deer Rifle.  I have serial number 1677201 documented in my survey in the same configuration.  S/N 1677203 is a Standard Model 64 rifle in 30-30.

  

thank you, do you mean Winchester made two deer, then two standard, then two deer, etc?  I am unsure of significance (if any) of consecutive serial numbered? is it a 1950 rifle? thanks in advance.

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Back in 2013 at the Big Reno Show, I had a table right next to Berts friend Larry Shennum. On his table he had a nice, maybe 85%, M55 takedown with a Lyman 1A tang sight attached. What caught my eye was the receiver had honest wear and was not flaked. I bought this rifle for $1,750. Larry was a little hard to deal with, but he did drop the original asking price. I still have the rifle to compliment a nice solid frame M55 I got off the Internet. Those are a bit hard to find. Big Larry

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thank you, do you mean Winchester made two deer, then two standard, then two deer, etc?  I am unsure of significance (if any) of consecutive serial numbered? is it a 1950 rifle? thanks in advance.

  

No to your first question.  I was only pointing out that the Model 64 you found is inside a batch of other Model 64 rifles, and that it was a consecutive numebr to another identical Model 64 Deer Rifle.  Keep in mind that the Model 64 was serial numbered entirely within the Model 94 serial number sequence.

Yes, it is a 1950 production rifle (March/April).

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