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steve004 said

I don’t see why she would have need for a valuation.  She is already running her gunbroker auctions in the most effective way – no reserve and starting them at a penny.  This is the same way Austinguns and Chayn’s structure their auctions.  When gun are sold in this format of auction, they will generally sell for what they are worth. She doesn’t provide a description/opinion regarding condition, but other than a small minority of exceptions (such as Austinguns or Chayn’s), gunbroker descriptions are commonly full of lies, B.S. and exaggeration.  Unless it is that rare trusted seller, do any of us give much credence to a gunbroker seller’s description or opinion on condition, originality, rarity and so on?  

Nope you are correct, most of us here disregard B.S. anyway.  I will say that the latest auctions from AlmostARanch are indeed formulated with less hype and skirting of the truth as before so there has apparently been some sort of change or shift in tactics.  

I guess one of my questions is where are the guns coming from?  AlmostARanch has been a seller for many years with hundreds of sales, are these still leftovers from the husband’s collection?  Maybe, maybe not…….  I am usually a sucker for a good sob story but in this case I have years of emails from her which jade my opinion and empathy.

Again, use your best judgement, everything else is just hearsay or someone else’s opinion/experience.

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I guess one of my questions is where are the guns coming from?  AlmostARanch has been a seller for many years with hundreds of sales, are these still leftovers from the husband’s collection?  Maybe, maybe not…….  

If that’s the case, it strains credulity to believe her story is anything but a sham.  Even the name, like “Dad’s Old Guns.” suggests a calculated con.  But, waste no sympathy on the dopes who fall for it.

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I guess one of my questions is where are the guns coming from?  AlmostARanch has been a seller for many years with hundreds of sales, are these still leftovers from the husband’s collection?  Maybe, maybe not…….  

If that’s the case, it strains credulity to believe her story is anything but a sham.  Even the name, like “Dad’s Old Guns.” suggests a calculated con.  But, waste no sympathy on the dopes who fall for it.  

Her husband was Ronnie Thomas and he passed away November, 2017.

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Anytime I would see something like “Dad’s Old Guns” or the grieving widow sob story, it’s a clue to look elsewhere.  Plenty of fish in the sea…

It smells like a scam, for what it’s worth.  Or, bid a little extra to subsidize the grieving widow, who probably has a lot more money than you do.

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Anytime I would see something like “Dad’s Old Guns” or the grieving widow sob story, it’s a clue to look elsewhere.  Plenty of fish in the sea…

It smells like a scam, for what it’s worth.  Or, bid a little extra to subsidize the grieving widow, who probably has a lot more money than you do.  

I think we’ve all seen an endless amount of scams over the years and they aren’t exactly rare.  In the case of this seller, she does honor a three-day inspection – which you can’t say of all gunbroker sellers.  I don’t believe this is a scam – vs. the scenario where you send (or wire) your money off and nothing ever shows up.  If I were in the market for a refinished rifle, I would feel comfortable sending her the money and I would have the expectation a box would arrive with a refinished rifle in it.  I think if rifles weren’t actually showing up or she didn’t honor three-day inspections, that would show up in the feedback.  The, “widow” aspect of her auctions has two potential purposes.  One is the sympathy aspect.  The other is that it provides a plausible rationale for not providing the usual amount of description that gunbroker sellers typically provide.  She may or may not know more than she implies.  Again, I could care less as I take very little stock in gunbroker seller’s description anyway.  We all know the word-smithing gyrations that gunbroker sellers use.  For example, a percentage of blue is provided but they are careful to not specifically state, “original.”  Or, Dad’s Old Guns… if you order a boxed Winchester from him, it will indeed come in a box with a label that says, “Winchester” on it.  And, “Winchester” will be spelled correctly Wink

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steve004 said

…the sympathy aspect.  The other is that it provides a plausible rationale for not providing the usual amount of description that gunbroker sellers typically provide.  She may or may not know more than she implies.  

Sell your firearms, and not a sob story/sympathy.  That really turns me off.

I’m sure she knows far more than she implies.

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mrcvs said

Sell your firearms, and not a sob story/sympathy.

Exactly.

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Sell your firearms, and not a sob story/sympathy.

Exactly.  

Your comments imply that the way she is doing it, is not effective.  I don’t think that is the case.  As buyer’s we are a tough crowd here.  Most of us aren’t going to purchase refinished guns anyway.  I suspect much of what she is selling is purchased by guys who will shoot the guns.  Here’s an example of a Model 12.  I feel confident a shooter rather than a collector purchased this.  And, he paid a shooter price vs. a collector price -$334 for a model 12 to shoot – I doubt you will do much better anywhere.  This buyer’s feedback stated he was very satisfied with the gun and all aspects of the transaction.  Who was scammed here?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/913022232

As far as, “Lisa” knowing more than she lets on, I suspect that is true.  And that makes her different than how many gunbroker sellers?

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Well this ain’t a widows sob story , but has to be the scam of the year and Me being, as Clarence put it, the”dope” who fell for it; This is how it was described to Me by James Neikirk of Elora Tennessee: Original Colt #5 Texas Paterson, ser#700 , Been in the family for 100 years or so and passed down 3 generations, in excellent condition with no rust or pitting and all the numbers matching. Reason for selling My wife and I, 78 years old are in poor health and have a opportunity to buy a place in Florida, We are not wealthy folks and need the the money to do this and can’t wait for the auctions. Wanting a Paterson bad I fell for it hook , line and sinker to the tune of $125,000.00 Minus a ’94 Winchester trade ser#15147. The pictures He sent Me looked good to Me and a fellow Colt collector so I done “the Deal”, expecting a return if there was any issues. I later found out He did the exact same deal in 2017 , for Paterson #990 , on G.I., so I’m not the only one. I am currently working on getting this matter resolved, how ever as Mr. Neikirk told Me “You can’t get blood from a stone” , We’ll see. Lesson well learned, albeit expensive.

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steve004 said

Your comments imply that the way she is doing it, is not effective.  

Not at all, Steve–I don’t doubt the effectiveness of this ploy on many.  Whether the guns she’s selling are good values is irrelevant to the real issue, which is using your alleged personal problems as a sales tool, & possibly as an “excuse” if one is caught in some misstatement of fact, the explanation being:  “Sorry, I’m just a poor helpless widow doing the best I can.” 

Would be interesting to know if her children or other family members are involved in this business; she may be only the “front.”

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November 20, 2021 - 9:39 pm
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Exactly, Clarence!  I think she’s a “front”!

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From the history JWA recalls with her, it sounds like she has been the contact person for quite a while – prior to her husband’s death.  It’s open question whether there’s an inflow of guns since her husband’s death.  I think it is significant that there was a two year period after his death – where there we no auctions.  So, whether she is just dealing with the inventory he had on hand, or there is an inflow, I can’t even speculate.  I don’t see that the rifles and shotguns are selling for more then they are worth (from a typical gunbroker sale view), so I don’t see that people have been suckered in to bid excessively. 

My experience is that selling is a lot harder than buying.  

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steve004 said

My experience is that selling is a lot harder than buying.    

Thank your lucky stars you never got interested in antique wooden boats!

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clarence said

Thank your lucky stars you never got interested in antique wooden boats!  

Thanks Clarence!  A little perspective does help.  

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There was a seller out of Henryetta OK who was selling a LOT of fake Model 61’s a couple years ago and he also was a good storyteller.  I would be VERY VERY VERY cautious!!!  As in V E R Y cautious!!!!

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There was a seller out of Henryetta OK who was selling a LOT of fake Model 61’s a couple years ago and he also was a good storyteller.  I would be VERY VERY VERY cautious!!!  As in V E R Y cautious!!!!

Michael  

This is the same seller.  I remember your multiple posts on the forum identifying the fakes.  “Almostaranch” has been on my black list to never do business with ever since.  Seems more like they’re “almost” (or far from it) on everything they sell.

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deerhunter said

This is the same seller.  I remember your multiple posts on the forum identifying the fakes.  “Almostaranch” has been on my black list to never do business with ever since.  Seems more like they’re “almost” (or far from it) on everything they sell.

Don  

I have enjoyed everyone’s comments and I’m increasingly suspicious of what’s going on with this seller.  I guess I do believe there was a husband and he did pass away.  Prior to that, it seems he sold a lot of suspect rifles (some of which were previously discussed here).  His spouse had been involved in the business for years before his death and it sounds like she handled the correspondence with potential buyers.  Presently, she is perhaps just disposing of the, “inventory” that was left behind.  Or, there is some inflow to that inventory – and that inventory is similar to what had been sold for years.  In recent times, it looks like she’s been selling primarily reblued guns, and they are selling for about what reblued guns should sell for.  They are not represented as original, but they are also not represented as not original.  She posts a lot of good quality photos and lets the photos tell the story.  By my eyes, the photos are good enough such that the refinishing is detectable.  As I’ve stated previously, with rare exception, a gunbroker (or big auction house) stating their opinion on the originality of a piece, has little meaning to me.  

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Here’s an interesting read from 5 years ago regarding this same seller.  Might be very enlightening to those not previously familiar with this seller.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/it-may-be-almost-a-ranch-but-it-is-certainly-total-bullshit/

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deerhunter said
Here’s an interesting read from 5 years ago regarding this same seller.  Might be very enlightening to those not previously familiar with this seller.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/it-may-be-almost-a-ranch-but-it-is-certainly-total-bullshit/

Don  

Did I REALLY put that in the title??  Well it is BS!  For sure.  And since the Gunbroker link has LONG expired I thought i might as well post the images form that listing.  And look at the location in the last few screenshot images.  And that “gun rack in the photos looks just kind of familiar!!!!!  

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