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What would it be worth?
April 7, 2019
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My god!!  Can we all just unruffle our gun collecting feathers a bit, quit acting like a bunch of little kids on the playground and actually have a reasonable discussion?   

Remember that WE ALL are ambassadors of this hobby of ours and nothing will make others less interested in participating than to put forth the appearance of being a collection of prima donnas who can’t act maturely.

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April 7, 2019
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apache said
Huck Riley;

   Good to hear from a man that know what he wants. So you say you want a real "Western Fighting" firearm? 

Apache ( ya ta hey )WinkWinkWinkCoolCool  

I do want it, just like you want my $175,000.00.  But as my D.I. used to say, "Want in one hand, s*** in the other and tell me what you get."

April 7, 2019
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Michael, MRCVS, Huck;

     Michael, had I known my question would have evolved into this mess rest assured I never would have posted it. I guess the civility that once existed on this forum has gone the way of the DoDo bird. I'm sorry and offer my apologies to the WACA members that truly look to get something out of this forum. As long as we have a few members that continue to behave like this, well what can I say. I guess that's why I've noticed that many of the earlier members no longer post. Why should they waste their time? As for me it really doesn't matter in the scheme of things whether these few think I'm full of it or not. Perhaps it will make MRCVS feel better inside to say I'm full of it, but I doubt it. One thing for sure his opinion of me won't affect my life one iota. Huck, I'm sorry that all you have to offer for the "Fighting Gun" that you so want and desire is nothing more than a hand full of s..t, but life just ain't fair.

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April 8, 2019
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apache said
Huck;

     Huck, I'm sorry that all you have to offer for the "Fighting Gun" that you so want and desire is nothing more than a hand full of s..t, but life just ain't fair.

Apache CryCryCryCryCryCool  

Do as you admit is the best way to assess value, put it up for auction, and maybe you'll get your $175k.  LOL!  If not, maybe I'll buy it for the actual value.  

April 8, 2019
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apache said 
I guess the civility that once existed on this forum has gone the way of the DoDo bird.

Possibly it's diminished, but relative to other forums, such as that of ASSRA, or Jouster, it remains a model of decorum.

But I found nothing in your post that justified the scorn heaped by a few upon it. If one regards a post as lame or pointless, it's easy to ignore.

April 8, 2019
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Apache-

Yes sir, I think you’re full of it sometimes but that’s what I like about you. I enjoy your insight almost as I enjoy the firearms you discuss. If we agreed on everything this forum would be boring and pointless. Carry on, my friend!

 

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April 10, 2019
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Apache Well I guess I'm a tire kicker, but here goes. If the gun is in excellent condition, with 80%+ original finish and has unquestionable provenance to Annie Oakley's ownership/use, I would gladly give You $30,000.00  for it pending inspection of course.    Harry

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April 10, 2019
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God how I hate the 'What's the Value" or "How Much is it Worth" threads.CryPlease outlaw them.

April 10, 2019
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God how I hate the 'What's the Value" or "How Much is it Worth" threads.CryPlease outlaw them.  

Exactly!

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foxfire said
God how I hate the 'What's the Value" or "How Much is it Worth" threads.CryPlease outlaw them.  

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Exactly!

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There is always the very technical approach of just not reading them and saving yourselves the mental and physical pain and anguish.

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April 10, 2019
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I agree with Michael...  As a general rule I try real hard to avoid responding to this sort of value query, since any number I cough up will either be seen as too low or too high depending on whether the person posting is the potential seller or the potential buyer... Wink  I also try to shun the after the fact "what's my new gun worth" questions.  If I'm going to comment at all, I'd rather it be before a sale than after (less chance of ticking someone off)...

OTOH...  Occasionally such questions lead to positive ends.  For example the relatively recent thread wherein someone was asking about the value of an unusual M70 Winchester (the M70 is the only model I'd venture a $$$ opinion on):

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/general-discussions-questions/winchester-model-70-featherweight-358-win-class-3-special-order/

In this case, the post/discussion on WACA led ultimately to a "private sale" that I think was fair to both the seller and the buyer (Not me BTW!!!!).  I do not want to elaborate beyond saying that I have on good authority that the M70 in question is legit.  So I can't say these posts should be "banned".  If you don't like them don't read them, since they can get nasty (childish/personal) at times and are not often "educational".  Of course, I enjoy reading Larry's provocative queries AND mrcvs' provocative retorts.  As long as it does not get too personal, it just shows that "it takes all kinds"...  This one has pushed the limits, but I'm not big on "government oversight"...  Even if the "government" in question is Bert... Wink

In this case, the initial question (not accompanied by photos or documents) was a little too hypothetical/provocative given that several "AO" guns have been sold by major auction houses over the last few years.  So there are generic already data out there.  That said, the responses were a bit too passionate and personal...

Just my opinion FWIW... Wink

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April 10, 2019
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Harry, Twobit, Foxfire;

    Harry, sorry to say this Smoothbore is not any where near the 80 to 100 percent condition your collection of Fine Quality Winchester firearms require. I only wish it were. I'm still looking for more info though as to whether or not it was special ordered from Winchester for A.O. See, I just saved you a lot of your hard earned cash. No need to thank me for the savings though.

    Twobit (Michael), your point is well taken. 

     Foxfire, In thinking about it, your right, and I for one will never put another "What's it worth" thread on this site again.

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April 11, 2019
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And there you have it.  Hopefully the "end" of the story.  

April 11, 2019
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Louis Luttrell said
I agree with Michael...  As a general rule I try real hard to avoid responding to this sort of value query, since any number I cough up will either be seen as too low or too high depending on whether the person posting is the potential seller or the potential buyer... Wink  I also try to shun the after the fact "what's my new gun worth" questions.  If I'm going to comment at all, I'd rather it be before a sale than after (less chance of ticking someone off)...

OTOH...  Occasionally such questions lead to positive ends.  For example the relatively recent thread wherein someone was asking about the value of an unusual M70 Winchester (the M70 is the only model I'd venture a $$$ opinion on):

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/general-discussions-questions/winchester-model-70-featherweight-358-win-class-3-special-order/

In this case, the post/discussion on WACA led ultimately to a "private sale" that I think was fair to both the seller and the buyer (Not me BTW!!!!).  I do not want to elaborate beyond saying that I have on good authority that the M70 in question is legit.  So I can't say these posts should be "banned".  If you don't like them don't read them, since they can get nasty (childish/personal) at times and are not often "educational".  Of course, I enjoy reading Larry's provocative queries AND mrcvs' provocative retorts.  As long as it does not get too personal, it just shows that "it takes all kinds"...  This one has pushed the limits, but I'm not big on "government oversight"...  Even if the "government" in question is Bert... Wink

In this case, the initial question (not accompanied by photos or documents) was a little too hypothetical/provocative given that several "AO" guns have been sold by major auction houses over the last few years.  So there are generic already data out there.  That said, the responses were a bit too passionate and personal...

Just my opinion FWIW... Wink

Lou  

Lou,

In general, I agree with both you and Michael, and I truly do not like or want to censor any legitimate questions or discussions, a.k.a. "government oversight".  We are all "Big Boys" here, and there is no need to sling verbal insults across anyone's bow (so-to-speak).  I very much prefer to allow people to openly discuss whatever Winchester related question that they may have.  For those of you who do not care for the "what is it worth" questions, you were provided with some good advice... Do not read or participate in the specific topic that bothers you.

Bert (a.k.a. The Government Oversight Committee)

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Louis Luttrell said
I agree with Michael...  As a general rule I try real hard to avoid responding to this sort of value query, since any number I cough up will either be seen as too low or too high depending on whether the person posting is the potential seller or the potential buyer... Wink  I also try to shun the after the fact "what's my new gun worth" questions.  If I'm going to comment at all, I'd rather it be before a sale than after (less chance of ticking someone off)...

OTOH...  Occasionally such questions lead to positive ends.  For example the relatively recent thread wherein someone was asking about the value of an unusual M70 Winchester (the M70 is the only model I'd venture a $$$ opinion on):

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/general-discussions-questions/winchester-model-70-featherweight-358-win-class-3-special-order/

In this case, the post/discussion on WACA led ultimately to a "private sale" that I think was fair to both the seller and the buyer (Not me BTW!!!!).  I do not want to elaborate beyond saying that I have on good authority that the M70 in question is legit.  So I can't say these posts should be "banned".  If you don't like them don't read them, since they can get nasty (childish/personal) at times and are not often "educational".  Of course, I enjoy reading Larry's provocative queries AND mrcvs' provocative retorts.  As long as it does not get too personal, it just shows that "it takes all kinds"...  This one has pushed the limits, but I'm not big on "government oversight"...  Even if the "government" in question is Bert... Wink

In this case, the initial question (not accompanied by photos or documents) was a little too hypothetical/provocative given that several "AO" guns have been sold by major auction houses over the last few years.  So there are generic already data out there.  That said, the responses were a bit too passionate and personal...

Just my opinion FWIW... Wink

Lou  

twobit said

mrcvs said

Exactly!
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There is always the very technical approach of just not reading them and saving yourselves the mental and physical pain and anguish.

Michael  

Hahaha! Can't argue with that! Sort of like an accident on the side of the road. You just can't NOT watch sometimes!!! 

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