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Part it out and use the receiver for an anchor weight.
Ive had multiple dealings with Lock Stock and Barrel in the past and have followed hundreds of their auction listings and have never had, or formed, any kind negative feelings towards them as sellers. Did they miss what is obvious to us “Experts”, yup, but I dont see any reason to kick anyone in the cajones for it.
Matt, nothing wrong with asking objective questions and weighing the responses.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
1892takedown said Did they miss what is obvious to us “Experts”, yup, but I dont see any reason to kick anyone in the cajones for it.
Here’s the reason: presenting yourself, by means of extravagant, contrived, blarney, AS a Winchester expert. The description reeks with that message of fatuous “expertise,” as it was meant to. How about a simple “the gun is what is,” & trust that readers understand the function of a hammer?
I read badly misinformed, patently false, descriptions every day without being outraged because they’re written in simple ignorance without the phony PRETENSE that characterizes this description.
Gentlemen, I genuinely appreciate the feedback and the discussion here. Thank you! Also, in a post of mine above, I insinuated that the seller had lied, and that he likely knew the gun was altered. I should’ve held my tongue, as it is possible he didn’t know. It just didn’t seem plausible or reasonable to me, but I can’t for a fact say he knew. So for that, I apologize.
In better news, I did score a 1909 made, Model 1894 semi deluxe takedown in 30 WCF today, which I am very excited about. : )
clarence said
Here’s the reason: presenting yourself, by means of extravagant, contrived, blarney, AS a Winchester expert. The description reeks with that message of fatuous “expertise,” as it was meant to. How about a simple “the gun is what is,” & trust that readers understand the function of a hammer?
I guess Im a lot less of a cynic than most and prefer to give the benefit of down when possible. And thanks, for the word of the day (blarney), I actually had to look that one up, lol, 
… all in good fun. Chris
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The auction has been stopped as promised by LS&B.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I believe for the most part that “Honest Gun Dealer” is an oxymoron and anyone who continues to buy guns sight unseen will eventually get ripped off.
clarence said
There’s something to be gained by passing it off as an “antique,” but what could be achieved by changing it to this number?
The con-artist who’s selling it is a MASTER of phony-baloney BS that should be insulting to the intelligence of anyone beyond the rank-novice category of collector. In fact, other “history lessons” of his that I’ve read surpass this one in nauseating double-talk. Yet the know-nothings eat it up, as his sales figures demonstrate!
The gun’s serial number was likely faked a while back using the Winchester Book and not by searching Cody’s records.
So the original intent of the deception was to pass it off as a antique.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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clarence said
Matt Herman said
I apologize for stirring up a ruckus here, being that I’m such a new guy to the forum.
Matt
I commend you for doing so–it flushes out the apologists for devious gun dealing on this board.
Amen to that!
November 7, 2015
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I got to know these guys at a show last year, had some very interesting items. I was trying to buy a T/D shotgun with two barrel sets and never could make a deal but we had a few good visits. There are “problem” guns in almost every inventory and collection. One in my collection was unknown to me for several years, happens to all of us. I like the guys at LS&B, will likely try to buy from them again.
Mike
TXGunNut said I like the guys at LS&B, will likely try to buy from them again.
Mike
Then why don’t you politely suggest that the best way to avoid the appearance of huckstering is simply to provide succinct descriptions without the phony pretensions to expertise that appear intended to gull the unwary. When you, a professional with thousands of sales, can’t recognize a faked ser. no., & continue using outdated reference sources, all pretensions to know what you’re talking about fly out the window. In fact, unless there are condition problems that good photos can’t adequately reveal, there’s no need for superfluous verbiage at all. I most respect those dealers who merely provide the best photos possible, & let them do the talking.
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