Looks like a model 1911 “widow maker.” Winchester’s failed attempt to compete with the Browning automatic shotgun. Browning owned the patent for the bolt handle, so to chamber a round, the Winchester 1911 required pushing the barrel toward the receiver–the reason for the knurled grip section on the barrel. The reason for “widow maker” is a few heads were taken off while chambering a round.
Folks, as I was growing up, I knew of two who hunted with these things. One was an older man who was a tenet on my grand dad’s farm. He hunted about anything for the pot, to include deer before there really was a season on them. He seemed to know what he was doing–but never unloaded the thing. Our steel sided barn still has a very tight pattern of #2’s where he shot a ground hog from over 50 yards. The other was a classmate. We hunted quail once when we were allowed to be on our own (one or the other’s parent took us out and dropped us off). John had problems with his Winchester model 11 doubling at times. He didn’t do well working the action to unload at the end, so just fired off the ammo. Really not a good thing when you are a kid as the shells were still relatively expensive. I suspect John would pump the barrel when I was not around–likely with his shoulder at least over the muzzle.
Tim Tomlinson
I like the Model 1911 solely because it saw British military service in WW1, by the Royal Flying Corps. They were used for aerial gunnery training.
They were ordered through Winchesters U.K. agent at the time, The London Armoury Company. I have yet to find out how many were purchased but it is likely in the hundreds rather than the thousands.
Weather they received any markings while in service is unknown but I have never come across one. If you see one at a gunshow with British commercial proof marks it would be worth looking for any markings similar to those applied to .455 S&W HE revolvers that saw service with the Royal Flying Corps, being R.F.C. and then a date shown as 3.16 for example.
There may also be a marking on the frame near the trigger, J.J. – which is believed to have been applied by the LAC to help with warranty claims. Although the J.J. marking is normally seen on Colt pistols I have seen it marked on one Winchester self loader.
Regards
AlanD
I also had one of these – Winchester Model 1911 12 GA. It was laying around at my Grandfather’s ranch. It was not in working order so I decided to fix it up. Boy – do not try to replace the recoil spring. What a job. Got it fixed up and shot it a couple of times. This thing wounds on one end and kills on the other. Like pdog I sold it at a gun show or gave it away. I see the guy who bought it occasionally. He has never shot it. RR
Well guys, it sure is an interesting gun! I was amazed at the condition when I first saw it. Now I know why! Nobody wanted to shoot it! It was just stored, properly. There seems to be a wide disparity in what it may be worth. For instance..as soon as I started doing research as to what it was, one pops up on RIA in their next auction coming up. No where near as nice as this one. Estimated to go from $950-$1450.
I figure there are not too many around, for various reasons. That’s why I like it!
I probably won’t shoot it either.
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