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I recently shipped some guns that I sold on GB. Some I shipped with UPS. Has anyone heard of UPS requiring a bill of sale to be in the package with the copy of the FFL that you are sending it to? I have never heard of such a thing, but UPS security called me today about one of my packages and said it would go no further without a bill of sale from me to the buyer. I did one up and emailed it to him, but really wonder if he was right in asking for it. Help appreciated. Peter
No idea if required, but there has been one in every gun sent to me (more than 22 on them ). I am glad there’s a bos included.
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Could be, rifle I bought last year had a bill of sale included even though I already had a copy. This dealer ships quite a few on UPS, now I know why the bill was included.
Eagle said
I recently shipped some guns that I sold on GB. Some I shipped with UPS. Has anyone heard of UPS requiring a bill of sale to be in the package with the copy of the FFL that you are sending it to? I have never heard of such a thing, but UPS security called me today about one of my packages and said it would go no further without a bill of sale from me to the buyer. I did one up and emailed it to him, but really wonder if he was right in asking for it. Help appreciated. Peter
When I send a rifle, I include the auction summary (if through GB) & copy of my drivers license inside the box so they know who it is for & give a copy of the receiving FFL’s license to UPS. Never once have had a problem. I ship pistols through a FFL holder.
I think my FFL requires a bill of sale so that WA state tax can be figured.
Different carrier, same process ? Any FedEx experiences that may help a shipper ?
jwm94 said
I think my FFL requires a bill of sale so that WA state tax can be figured.
I don’t think the receiving FFL charges sales tax, that would be the seller’s responsibility & only if it is an “in state” transaction. The receiving FFL will get his fee for a transfer. Fed Ex is expensive as they require “next day” on firearms.
lund2075 said
I don’t think the receiving FFL charges sales tax, that would be the seller’s responsibility & only if it is an “in state” transaction. The receiving FFL will get his fee for a transfer. Fed Ex is expensive as they require “next day” on firearms.
And you do not know Washington state… they collect sales tax on all sales, regardless of where the seller is located. Per Washington law (RCW) all products purchased across tax lines are subject to excise tax (which is the same rate as the sales tax in the county in which you reside (zip code). Firearms sales are easy for them when an FFL is involved.
Bert (Washington resident)
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lund2075 said
I don’t think the receiving FFL charges sales tax, that would be the seller’s responsibility & only if it is an “in state” transaction. The receiving FFL will get his fee for a transfer. Fed Ex is expensive as they require “next day” on firearms.
Nevada (and other states) do charge sales tax on the receiving end by the receiving dealer doing the transfer, even if the rifle comes from out of state. I didn’t know this until recently when I purchased a used Winchester 52E from a member here on the forum and since it was newer than 50 years I could not use my 03 FFL. The 01 dealer that did the transfer required a bill of sale to be included with the rifle when shipped so that he could calculate the amount of sales tax to charge. I asked what would happen if there was no bill of sale included and he stated they were required to estimate the value based on blue book or red book values and, in some cases, the original MSRP plus inflation. He showed me the law since I was curious (and surprised) about the extra $60+ in taxes on a used .22 rim fire rifle purchased out of state from a private individual. Of course that $60+ was in addition to the $25 transfer fee and $25 NV Brady check.
I will stick to C&R 03 transactions from now on……..
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JWA said
I will stick to C&R 03 transactions from now on……..
Regards,
That’s my policy; sometimes defeated, however, by SOBs who refuse to ship a C&R gun except to a 01 license.
Hard to believe any state could be more avaricious than NY about collection of sales tax, but so far out of state purchases aren’t taxed.
Whatever the requirements of individual states may be, I don’t believe there’s any general UPS regulation requiring copy of FFL or anything else to be included; if there is, it’s damn sure not being enforced where I live, and I shipped a long gun two days ago.
CA FFL’s charge sales tax as well. If there’s no invoice they usually just ask what I paid. I don’t know if there is any restriction on this value (blue book, etc) but I’ve always been honest.
On top of that most FFL’s around here charge aroud 100 bucks transfer fee and some won’t bother to do out of state transfers at all. Oh, and then this there’s the $35 that goes to the DOJ?
I try to stick with C&R also.
Steve
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From Texas, I shipped to several states, both dealers and C&R holders. Some of those states were the unfriendly states. I used both Fed-Ex and UPS. I never had any carrier location ask me for a bill of sale. I just include my C&R copy with a telephone number in the box.
Greg
I need to clarify something here…I have a C&R, but if I sell a C&R gun to someone, I still have to ship it to the buyers FFL or to a buyer with a C&R don’t I. I can’t just ship it to the buyer with no FFL on his end can I? Peter
My understanding is that a C&R eligible firearm can be shipped to either (i) an 01 FFL, or (ii) the purchaser who holds a C&R license. On thing you can’t do is ship to another C&R holder on behalf of the purchaser (who presumably doesn’t have his/her own license).
Greg
spursfan said
My understanding is that a C&R eligible firearm can be shipped to either (i) an 01 FFL, or (ii) the purchaser who holds a C&R license. On thing you can’t do is ship to another C&R holder on behalf of the purchaser (who presumably doesn’t have his/her own license).Greg
Correct; I suppose shipping to the C&R could be construed as something like a straw-buyer purchase. But if the buyer had any brains at all, he’d have the C&R holder make the purchase, absolving the seller of any responsibility for whomever wound up with the gun.
spursfan said
…I just include my C&R copy with a telephone number in the box.Greg
May be a good idea, but still, I don’t believe it’s required by any law or UPS. Unfortunately, the question can NOT be settled by the simple expedient of asking your friendly neighborhood UPS shipper, because more often than not, they know nothing about the law, and little even about the policies of their own company. If told you “have” to do something like that by a clerk, ask them to drag out the UPS rule book and show you the requirement in black & white.
The phone no. I always write on the box isn’t my own but that of the addressee–to reduce (but not eliminate!) the chance of it being left somewhere else!
I have a friends FFL and my C&R on file at my local UPS Hub. The only thing they require is that I ship all handguns Overnight, which gets very expensive.
I figured that because I am a retired Teamster and have a Grandson who is a UPS driver, I might get some kind of break, but no. They have their rules.
I find UPS the best carrier to ship all my guns in and out. FedEx and the USPS suck big time. Big Larry
Larry,
My experience has been different than yours. I have all long guns via USPS. No receipt is needed, and they actually insure to the full stated value. UPS will let you buy insurance for the amount that you state, but if the gun is damaged, the max payout is $500 (as stated in their company regulations). They don’t tell you that at the time they are shipping… you only find out when the claim is filed! My local Post Office is a lot more friendly about shipping long guns than either UPS or FedEx, and they are much more conveniently located.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Larry,
My experience has been different than yours. I have all long guns via USPS. No receipt is needed, and they actually insure to the full stated value. UPS will let you buy insurance for the amount that you state, but if the gun is damaged, the max payout is $500 (as stated in their company regulations). They don’t tell you that at the time they are shipping… you only find out when the claim is filed!…
Bert
Jeez…how can that not be fraud, if the customer has paid for insurance over $500?
I also prefer USPS, because their much smaller volume, compared to UPS, lessens the possibility of damage, I think. I know many collectors & dealers in bamboo rods, and none of them will even consider using UPS.
I got burned one time using UPS, had a gun damaged in transit and they would not allow anything on the insurance I purchased–they took the money and crawfished when a claim was made. Last gun I shipped through UPS. All guns since then have been sent USPS with no problems other than the nosy uneducated teller (and postmaster) who claims I cant ship a firearm. Never been a fan of FedEx either.
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