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December 21, 2006
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Just curious if any one here has info ,(recent sales etc.) on the Mod. 1890 currently offered at R.I.A. lot #3043 ser#2398. As usual here They are touting the engraving and gold plating as factory and being very scepticle I cant tell by the pictures.
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April 30, 2023
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Not a lot of info on the CFM letter… hmmm
October 29, 2011
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Henry–have you asked Pauline M. for her opinion? Bill
December 21, 2006
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No I haven’t, but I will. Actually I wasn’t looking for opinions, I was inquiring if any one had run across this gun in the past.
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June 24, 2015
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If I had to guess, I would say some merely took an 1890 with an R&R on the letter and made a fake ulrich engraved gun. Plated guns are easiest to fake. I do not like the wear and finish. Also, the factory letter in RIAs name is telling. Most of the funny guns have that. If you get my drift…..
December 9, 2002
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Good Points Austin!
With that letter being obvious, or the lack of stating it was engraved at the Factory, I would steer clear of it!
Tony
April 30, 2023
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Slightly off topic, but on any of Ulrich’s previous work, was his name stamped like that? Seems like he would simply engrave it.
December 9, 2002
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Jeremy P said
Slightly off topic, but on any of Ulrich’s previous work, was his name stamped like that? Seems like he would simply engrave it.
Jeremy,
I feel you’re spot on with that comment also, and not off topic at all. I had that same that originally, and didn’t post about it. If you look closely at the stamping, there’s a lighter struck, “J”, partially below the evident “J”.
I think we would need to see, a few examples to compare to, as many of us probably aren’t that familiar, with his signed or stamped examples. IMHO!
Tony
November 7, 2015
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Jeremy P said
Slightly off topic, but on any of Ulrich’s previous work, was his name stamped like that? Seems like he would simply engrave it.
I understand that sometimes he would put a discreet mark on his work but if the info in the description is right they were allowed to sign their work at times. I’m a fan of engraving but certainly no expert. I like this gun and I hope it’s correct.
Mike
December 9, 2002
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Mike,
I also remember that, and like many here have said in the past, it’s certainly one that has to be held and inspected, and after the proper research of information was done to make sure it is possibly all correct. IMHO!
Tony
May 23, 2009
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It looks awfully legit to me. But it certainly wouldn’t hurt to see what Pauline thinks of it.
I don’t recall having seen this one up for auction before, but that doesn’t mean anything either.
Nice looking Model 1890.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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June 24, 2015
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I wouldn’t touch that thing with a 10′ pole. With the considerable wear and pits on the barrel, that gun would have about 20% gold plating remaining at best. I also see pits under the gold in the close up picture of the lower tang. That rifle was engraved and plated in very recent times. People also forget there are plenty of very talented engravers out there today that can engrave anything you want them to.
June 2, 2026
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Looks like this rifle ended up selling for over $26K. That’s a pretty good price for an Ulrich engraved rifle especially with it being outright stamped. I believe the partial stamp underneath is purposeful. By tilting the punch to the left and then the right leave only a JU and an H is the Ulrichs way of telling you that both John and Herman worked on the rifle. A couple other points discussed in this thread were about sometimes leaving initials or marks denoting the artist. I would rather think it was every time in some form or another. In the case of the Ulrichs they left a lot more than a cryptic JU or an HU behind. With close study you may find that the supposed pitting under the plating is actually needling and acid writing done before it was plated. In some cases the failing plating or blueing overtop allows the underlying esoterica to sort of evolve and be more easily seen to a point. The different texturing of a surface makes light reflect differently causing shading that gives life to the engraving let alone the added amusement of the little caricatures and etc. The Ulrichs work is best viewed in an “off angle” manner to reveal their initials. They are worked into the scrollwork in a manner that is very complex and not likely to allow counterfeits.
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