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To All;
I’m finding it difficult to track down the actual dates the different Ulrich Family of die maker/engravers started their employment at Winchester Firearms, and when they either died or moved on. The die maker/engravers, Herman Ulrich, Conrad Ulrich, John Ulrich, George Ulrich, when did each start working at Winch. and how old were they when first employed? An earlier thread has me interested in finding out this information. Appreciate this folks, Apache (ya ta hey)
I assume you have the Winchester Engraving book by R.L. Wilson
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Larry,
Herb Houze covered the information you seek in his book “WINCHESTER REPEATING ARMS COMPANY, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981” . Specifically, Chapter 10 is titled “The beginning of the Ulrich Era”, chapters 11, 12 continue their history, and the Epilogue is titled “Alden George Ulrich’s Legacy: 1936-1981”. It is an excellent read.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
To All;
Yes Bob I have Wilson’s book. Bert, sorry to say I don’t have the Houze book. Please forgive me as I’m just being lazy about this, which I’m usually not. I guess it’s being wiped out from the holidays. (OLD AGE) I Just thought someone would have this knowledge very handy without going through a big hassle. Again, thank you Bert and bob, I’ll get off my butt, and look up the info.
Larry (Apache ya ta hey)
In case anyone else is curious. Per Houze’s book they started as follows.
John Ulrich – November 1868
Herman Leslie Ulrich – July 29, 1870
Conrad Friedrich Ulrich – March 1871
Leslie Borden Ulrich – 1907
Alden George Ulrich – 1920
Sincerely,
Maverick
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I will add a thought. I think one has to be very careful when reading Wilson and using his books as reference. Its almost as if his work needs verifying or rec-checking for factual correctness.
Example, I pulled “Winchester An American Legend” by R.L. Wilson to look at some of the engraved guns in it.
Page 218 is noted quote, “Exquisite matched pair of Model 1897s, serial numbers 1 & 2, signed by John Ulrich. Dogs and game birds within scrollwork, instead of set in panels, present an unusual treatment.”
I’ve always found this page very odd! One the 97 serials did not start with serial number 1, the 93 did. Two, you can clearly see a last serial digit “9” on the bottom of the take-down receiver on the bottom gun. So there is no way the quoted statement is correct, especially regarding serial numbers. Then that begs the question if he is correct about whom engraved them.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick and others;
Maverick I thank you for the dates that the Ulrichs started at Winchester. John Ulrich as I understand it started his employment as an ASSEMBLER not an Engraver. I don’t know how long he worked at Winchester before moving into the DIE MAKING/ENGRAVING Dept. I’ll try to get this information.
Thanks again, Apache
Apache,
Yes he started in the gun shop. Said chapter of said Houze book has the details your looking for. If I get time this evening I will look and reread it again. If I recall correctly it wasn’t long after Herman Ulrich was hired.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Greetings from Central Vermont. I have had this book for years and can’t remember where I bought it. I buy estates etc…It is a “Where to Hunt American Game” by United States Cartridge Co. Lowell Mass,.1898. The book itself is neat, On the inside front cover it is signed, John M. Ulrich. On the title page it is signed, H.L. Ulrich. On the preface it is once again signed H.L. Ulrich. The last page is signed H.L. Ulrich and there is a tab stuck to a page and when you go there, it is a beautiful engraving of a buffalo standing broadside in Wyoming !
Being published in 1898 we know it’s not the famous Winchester Buffalo on the side of the receivers, but could one of the Ulrich’s have done the wood engraving for the book? In the preface it states; ” Artist of undoubted skills made the illustrations.”
Any thoughts or theories would be neat to hear. I have photos but not being a computer guy, I couldn’t post them.
Thank You
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