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May 2, 2009
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I got screen shots of the 2nd link from the Reddit post of the guns which includes many 86’s in 45-75. I can go through that list and compile a list of all the guns. I have all the 73″s from the 1st link of Google photos. I found an explanation for the Rebel Carbine with this note.
Bob
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April 15, 2005
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Bob,
The 45-75 was exclusively an 1876 caliber versus an 1886. The CHG purchased Single Shot, Hotchkiss, and Model 1886 Muskets and rifles in 45-70 Govt.
Bert
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May 2, 2009
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Bert,
Your right, I been seeing both calibers in the list and confused them. Its 86’s in 45-70 and the 45-75’s are described as Winchester carbines and long rifles in the 28xxx range.
Bob
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May 2, 2009
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I located a 73 that is a CGH carbine by serial number that went through the Feb 2026 Poulin Auction. It looks like the stock was swapped out from the poor wood fit so it does not have the CGH stamps in the stock.
https://bid.poulinauctions.com/WINCHESTER-3RD-MODEL-1873-LEVER-ACTION-SRC_i59096556
Bob
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February 18, 2016
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Gentlemen, Elliot here, Jeff A called me about this great discussion. I own SN 28785, along with its original Yataghan sword bayonet. It is one of the November, 1882, original King’s order from Winchester of 1876, 45-75, Muskets. It is very rare indeed, having the NGH, not the CGH, stamp on the butt stock. Everything matching. I also have one of the Yataghan sword bayonets for the Win 1873 Musket. Even though they appear to be the same, they are not, the subtle difference is in the muzzle diameter and front sight attachment dimensions. My 1873 Yataghan also has the original sheath. There is an entire ‘community’ of these Yataghan sword bayonets collectors that Winchester, and other major manufactures, shipped with their rifles. When the bayonet is attached to the 1876 Musket, it is a awesome sight to see, especially being held by this little Puerto Rican! My example is in wonderful condition, sound action and very good bore. I look forward to an opportunity to fire it this fall when the Texas weather turns tolerable outside. I have downloaded the archive info and will review it when i can, thanks for the effort and information! Elliot
August 25, 2026
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1873man said
I got screen shots of the 2nd link from the Reddit post of the guns which includes many 86’s in 45-75. I can go through that list and compile a list of all the guns. I have all the 73″s from the 1st link of Google photos. I found an explanation for the Rebel Carbine with this note.
Bob
Hey, this is really awesome! Id be really excited to try and build out a sheet of all the known rebel arms that were redistributed to the NGH or the CGH specifically after 1895.
August 25, 2026
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Bert H. said
1873man said
I started to cross check the serials of the Winchester 44’s to my survey to see if I get a hit on one I have info on. I had serial 28311 and its a rifle with a extra heavy 30″ barrel. That does not sound like a gun you would issue unless you didn’t have any ammo and used it to beat the enemy. I have seen in the list low serial numbers that would fall into the first model 73’s that say they are 38 and 32 calibers. I believe all the low serial number Winchesters in 44 are 92’s
Bob
Bob,
I did some checking, and all of the low serial numbered 44’s on the page you posted are indeed Model 1892 44 Caliber Carbines, and they are all on the same order number #7619.
Do you have copies of any additional pages with serial numbers and calibers?
Bert
Hey Bert
I’m pretty curious how you found this order number and are able to make these connections. I’ve been trying to find proof of the order for the rebel arms in 1894, but am having a hard time locating any definitive records. Sorry if this is a newbie question, but I have information like the city that the order was placed in, around what time of year, and the number of arms, just trying to get a receipt or some kind of proof of purchase. Let me know if you could point me in the right direction!
May 2, 2009
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Once you have the serial numbers and know what model it is then its just a matter of checking with Cody to get the Warehouse ledger info which has the order number. The only issue with the order number is there is no details like who bought it or where it was shipped. All you can do is tell how many guns were in the shipment. That requires a search of the ledgers to find all the guns with the same order number.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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paniolonaz said
Bert H. said
1873man said
I started to cross check the serials of the Winchester 44’s to my survey to see if I get a hit on one I have info on. I had serial 28311 and its a rifle with a extra heavy 30″ barrel. That does not sound like a gun you would issue unless you didn’t have any ammo and used it to beat the enemy. I have seen in the list low serial numbers that would fall into the first model 73’s that say they are 38 and 32 calibers. I believe all the low serial number Winchesters in 44 are 92’s
Bob
Bob,
I did some checking, and all of the low serial numbered 44’s on the page you posted are indeed Model 1892 44 Caliber Carbines, and they are all on the same order number #7619.
Do you have copies of any additional pages with serial numbers and calibers?
Bert
Hey Bert
I’m pretty curious how you found this order number and are able to make these connections. I’ve been trying to find proof of the order for the rebel arms in 1894, but am having a hard time locating any definitive records. Sorry if this is a newbie question, but I have information like the city that the order was placed in, around what time of year, and the number of arms, just trying to get a receipt or some kind of proof of purchase. Let me know if you could point me in the right direction!
As Bob mentioned, it is a simple check in the factory ledger records (located at the Cody Firearms Museum research office). With just a quick search, I found at least (75) model 1892 44 caliber carbines listed with the same order # 7619. It will take a considerable amount of time to review all of the records to find exactly how many Model 1892s were sold to the CHG.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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