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Well, rather amusing to hear the factory rep bragging about all the features that came to be deplored on the post-64 70s, esp. the impressed checkering. And the ones made between ’64 & ’68 were the worst, after which notable improvements were made.
Can’t bear to see rhinos being killed, even in ’64. Find me a video of rhino poachers being killed, or Asian horn & ivory merchants, & I’ll watch it in slo-mo.
clarence said
Find me a video of rhino poachers being killed, or Asian horn & ivory merchants, & I’ll watch it in slo-mo.
Bahaha!!! ?
Rick C
Well we all know these are the greatest guns and the finest ammunition in Winchester Western’s long history.It says so right at 17:51 of the video.
That’s why their collector value is so great.
I watched that video awhile back. Despite their 1964 endeavor which has proven to be a failure, I found it to be interesting overall. Just sort of neat to see that type of ad campaign in juxtaposition to modern times.
I watched the the entire video as well. Advertising hype. Not surprising they had the agenda to put a positive spin on the changes made to their firearms. We can’t be surprised that they didn’t address the reasons behind these changes – cheaper manufacturing costs. What had been firearms to be proud of turned quickly turned into something very different.
Seems to me I had read somewhere, that the new post 64 model 70 bolt did indeed have some advantages over the pre 64 bolt design.Npt sure if that is true or where I had read it at.
November 7, 2015
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I put thousands of rounds through a 670, a very accurate and dependable sporting rifle. I also trained extensively and occasionally competed with Model 1300 shotguns; very rugged and reliable. I still keep a few around for social equipment and shoot the occasional round of skeet with one. Damn good guns!
They’ll never have the class or workmanship of the early Winchesters, however.
Mike
28 gauge said
Seems to me I had read somewhere, that the new post 64 model 70 bolt did indeed have some advantages over the pre 64 bolt design.
That was the opinion of Frank DeHass after the changes made in 1968, whose book on bolt-actions is the best I know of. He was referring to the anti-bind bolt & a couple of other minor changes.
28 gauge said
Seems to me I had read somewhere, that the new post 64 model 70 bolt did indeed have some advantages over the pre 64 bolt design.Npt sure if that is true or where I had read it at.
I believe many of the problems with the post 64 M70’s were largely due to poor execution of new updated technology. Not simply a desire cut costs. The post 64 changes were instituted based on the need to modernize antiquated production equipment and practices in an effort to be more competitive. The factory had been operating on equipment and practices, many of which dated all the way back to WW1.
One example that was conceived solely on the desire for improvement is the bolt design. Contrary to popular belief, the post 64 bolt was not initially designed to make it less expensive to produce. It was conceived as a new and improved design. Created years earlier (1959) based on feedback from the US Army Advanced Marksmanship Unit. The design objectives were reduced lock time, increased strength and accuracy. The fully enclosed cartridge head bolt was considered to be superior for both strength & accuracy. The dozen contract single shot AMU barreled actions referenced in Rules book on Pg. 311 and the roughly 10 to 15 single shot M70 rifles Winchester built and kept in house, all had these new bolts. They did not have the Pre 64 bolt as pictured on the S/N EXP 3 action in Rule’s book. All had 1960 serial numbers in the 499800 range. These were excellent strong actions. Three were actually still in use at the AMU as shop test actions as recently as 5 to 10 years ago.
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are a few photos.
All most interesting,1ned1.
I have owned two of the Model 190 self loading .22 rifles.Still have one.They were crudely made in fit and finish compared to the pre 64 models,but they did work well.No matter how dirty I let them get and fire them as fast as I could pull the trigger ,I could never get one to jam.With some nicer wood and finish, it could of been a winner for Winchester in my opinion.
How ever, I cannot say the same for the Model 1400 shotgun.In the past I had two of them and one of the Model 1500 version of the same gun.All shotguns were good with shot and felt good to shoulder.However ,I could never get them to stop jamming.Some say they have used these guns with no problems.Wish I could say the same,but cannot.
Just wanted to add about the Model 190, a better trigger and sights would of helped as well.The trigger on these rifles is just terrible.Even with these upgrades, the rifle still could of been produced at a price range that would of made a good prophet for Winchester,but probably not as much as the way they did it,so as to wring every cent out of the model.Again just mt opinion.
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