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Model 36 Shotgun 9mm Rim Fire
June 16, 2018
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i have a friend who inherited this oddball small gun. He’s looking to sell it and I’m trying to help him out. Unfortunately no time to wait for the next Big Reno Show. Anybody know any guys who collect the Model 36? 

The gun was stored in a case for a very long time. I can’t find a flaw anywhere in the blueing and the wood is excellent as well. I can’t imagine it was ever fired very much. 

What do you guys think of value on these?

i am in Sacramento CA area. 

Thanks, Jerry

June 16, 2018
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Yes, I collect them and would be interested in it.

They range in value from about $400-$800.  You will see asking prices higher than that but they don't usually sell for the high asking prices.

There were about 3 variations of the Model 36 depending upon the vintage as several small changes were made over the years.

Ammo is still available from Fiochi so that is a plus.

You can email photos to me at Abendshien@aol. com and I can give you some more information and a better evaluation.

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June 17, 2018
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Thanks for your reply. I sent you some pictures. 

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I found this post concerning the model 36 shotgun 9mm rimfire.  I was at a small local gun show this past Saturday and a guy had one on his table.  It was at least 90%, and it appeared to have a walnut stock as opposed to gumwood.  He bought it at a local auction 25 years ago and was asking $1,400 for it.  What are these worth these days? Interesting little guns.

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April 19, 2021
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Al,

Here is a link to the last 3 that sold on GB    Guns & Firearms for Sale | GunBroker.com

The one that sold for 700 is missing half the forearm and has a buffing wheel blue job.

The highest priced one is over $900 and is advertised as original blueing ( NOT)  

The one that was 800 and change appears to be original.

April 19, 2021
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Thanks Erin.  I see what you mean about the one that sold for $985 being re-blued, it's very obvious.  The one that sold for a little over $800 has a repair on the right side at the top, near the bolt.

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April 19, 2021
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I have a couple, that I really enjoy! I shoot the lesser conditioned one, with the Fiocchi, ammo, and Umarex also makes the 9 mm shot Flobert ammo. The ammo seems to be on back order everywhere, including, Midway U.S.A.  These are great little Garden Guns, designed after the Flobert Parlor rifles, for Varmints and the like! Fun to shoot! JWA, is spot on, naturally with his assessments, and evaluations, on these. They are hard to find in Original, Fine Condition, being that they only made a little over 20,000 single shot rifles.

April 19, 2021
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I have very very rarely seen one of these in nice condition.  And I don't think I've ever seen one with a nice bore.

April 24, 2021
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steve004 said
I have very very rarely seen one of these in nice condition.  And I don't think I've ever seen one with a nice bore.  

I agree, they are hard to find in nice condition! I don't remember seeing any with a Walnut stock! Only Gum wood! I decided to shoot one the other day while mi oldest Son was getting ready to go Turkey hunting, and the Fiocchi shell didn't want to eject! The rim on the ejector tab seems to be fine, I'll have to take a look at it and figure out whats up with it. The shell seemed to expand, kinda tightly, making it harder to come out. I'm in the process of giving the barrel a good cleaning, and especially at the chamber!

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So once again I tried shooting the little Rim Fire, and she shoots great, but the expanded 9mm Fiocchi ammo doesn't want to eject! This was after I gave the Bore a good cleaning, and yeah the Bore was clean, and a decent bore, nothing shiny about it. I'm happy with the shooting of this about 60% Collectable shooter. But I'm thinking about counter boring the Chamber, just enough to help eject the Rim fire cartridge! I wouldn't take much off, and I would start out small, and increase Diameter as needed, moving slowly fore ward, as it wouldn't take much because, the brass only expands about 3/8 of an inch in front of the Rim! The rest of the shell Keeps it's original shape, and diameter! My other option is to put it back in the safe with the other queens, and the pick up a Chiappa Arms Little Badger, in the same Caliber for about $250.00 if I could find one, but then I wouldn't be shooting an old Winchester Antique, and it just takes the fun out of it!!!

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limestone304@aol.com said
So once again I tried shooting the little Rim Fire, and she shoots great, but the expanded 9mm Fiocchi ammo doesn't want to eject! This was after I gave the Bore a good cleaning, and yeah the Bore was clean, and a decent bore, nothing shiny about it. I'm happy with the shooting of this about 60% Collectable shooter. But I'm thinking about counter boring the Chamber, just enough to help eject the Rim fire cartridge! I wouldn't take much off, and I would start out small, and increase Diameter as needed, moving slowly fore ward, as it wouldn't take much because, the brass only expands about 3/8 of an inch in front of the Rim! The rest of the shell Keeps it's original shape, and diameter! My other option is to put it back in the safe with the other queens, and the pick up a Chiappa Arms Little Badger, in the same Caliber for about $250.00 if I could find one, but then I wouldn't be shooting an old Winchester Antique, and it just takes the fun out of it!!!  

I would be curious if the same thing would happen if you were using original factory ammunition.  

When you cleaned the bore, you mentioned the bore was decent.  How was the chamber?

Before counter-boring the chamber, I would try something less invasive.  I recently watched a video of Mark Douglas Cleaning up a M1876 .45-60.  One of the issues was that a round wouldn't chamber.  Mark smoothed up the chamber by taping some emery paper to a wooden dowel and spinning it with a drill.  It worked pretty slick and a quick and simple task to accomplish.  It's contained in this video (which is worth watching anyway):

t=19s&ab_channel=TheCinnabar

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steve004 said

I would be curious if the same thing would happen if you were using original factory ammunition.  

When you cleaned the bore, you mentioned the bore was decent.  How was the chamber?

Before counter-boring the chamber, I would try something less invasive.  I recently watched a video of Mark Douglas Cleaning up a M1876 .45-60.  One of the issues was that a round wouldn't chamber.  Mark smoothed up the chamber by taping some emery paper to a wooden dowel and spinning it with a drill.  It worked pretty slick and a quick and simple task to accomplish.  It's contained in this video (which is worth watching anyway):

t=19s&ab_channel=TheCinnabar  

I agree with Steve. I would go this route first.

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steve004 said

I would be curious if the same thing would happen if you were using original factory ammunition.  

When you cleaned the bore, you mentioned the bore was decent.  How was the chamber?

Before counter-boring the chamber, I would try something less invasive.  I recently watched a video of Mark Douglas Cleaning up a M1876 .45-60.  One of the issues was that a round wouldn't chamber.  Mark smoothed up the chamber by taping some emery paper to a wooden dowel and spinning it with a drill.  It worked pretty slick and a quick and simple task to accomplish.  It's contained in this video (which is worth watching anyway):

t=19s&ab_channel=TheCinnabar  

tionesta1 said

I agree with Steve. I would go this route first.  

Great Video, and a great suggestion! I will try that first and report back! I trust Mark's judgement, and experience, like you guys do! I'll be honest, I really didn't think of that! The Chamber is a little suspect! Thanks!

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Heres what looks to be a very high condition example (although its hard to say for sure with only two pictures to view).

 

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/Winchester-Model-36-Shotgun/lotInformation/61105129#topoflot

April 27, 2021
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That's a real nice hard to find Model 36! Jack Lewis, a Member of OGCA, used to be with Cowan's Auctions. I've had several confident deals with him! I trust his opinion on this!

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That's a real nice model 36.  The one I saw locally was almost as nice.

Leroy Merz has two very expensive ones: https://www.merzantiques.com/winchester-shotguns/

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steve004 said

I would be curious if the same thing would happen if you were using original factory ammunition.  

When you cleaned the bore, you mentioned the bore was decent.  How was the chamber?

Before counter-boring the chamber, I would try something less invasive.  I recently watched a video of Mark Douglas Cleaning up a M1876 .45-60.  One of the issues was that a round wouldn't chamber.  Mark smoothed up the chamber by taping some emery paper to a wooden dowel and spinning it with a drill.  It worked pretty slick and a quick and simple task to accomplish.  It's contained in this video (which is worth watching anyway):

t=19s&ab_channel=TheCinnabar  

Great advise here, Guy's! I went ahead and watched Marks video again, just to re confirm, and I went ahead and slotted, a piece of Dowel Rod, to hold the Emery cloth in place, as I wound it into the chamber, actually using several different Grits, stepping down as I went, and Using a Digital Caliber, to confirm my work as I went, and comparing that, to the expanded spent shells that I had, and really cleaning that bore up, using the same method. I am very happy with the results, and the shells are ejecting fine! Steve, I never did, and I won't try the original factory ammo, due to the collectable cost factor. I'm happy with the Fiocchi brand, and will try to find more Fiocchi, umarex, and maybe CCI, but not sure of that last one. But right now she's shooting and ejecting shells really good! Their fun little guns, and the bang is minimal! Thanks again!Smile

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limestone304@aol.com said

Great advise here, Guy's! I went ahead and watched Marks video again, just to re confirm, and I went ahead and slotted, a piece of Dowel Rod, to hold the Emery cloth in place, as I wound it into the chamber, actually using several different Grits, stepping down as I went, and Using a Digital Caliber, to confirm my work as I went, and comparing that, to the expanded spent shells that I had, and really cleaning that bore up, using the same method. I am very happy with the results, and the shells are ejecting fine! Steve, I never did, and I won't try the original factory ammo, due to the collectable cost factor. I'm happy with the Fiocchi brand, and will try to find more Fiocchi, umarex, and maybe CCI, but not sure of that last one. But right now she's shooting and ejecting shells really good! Their fun little guns, and the bang is minimal! Thanks again!Smile  

That's a really great outcome.  Thanks for sharing!

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