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Magazine tube capacities
January 13, 2022
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Erin Grivicich said

My bad Rick, In Tim’s post I mis read 1866 as 1886………Embarassed  I need to quit posting after 10:00 P.M…Wink  

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Erin,  And I need to quit posting based on my memory!  Too many times I remember something quite clearly, but turns out to just not be so.  Seems many of us are on the same boat.  Thus this time I looked first, then cited my sources.  Blame them if they aren’t right!  TimKissKiss

January 14, 2022
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steve004 said
Has anyone seen a, “2/3rd” or, “7/8th” length referred to in a museum letter?  

Yes, the (3) 1894 rifles with a 2/3 mag in the photo I posted all letter as such. Not sure I’ve ever put eyes on a 7/8 mag rifle, but I need one!

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January 14, 2022
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Here some examples with lengths other than 1/2…

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I also have letters that state “4-ctg” and 5-ctg” for the magazine length.

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January 14, 2022
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Here’s my 1894 that letters with a 2/3 magazine.  Had some interesting factory changes documented in the letter as well.

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Here’s my 1894 short rifle that letters with a 1/2 magazine.

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I haven’t loaded up the magazine on this one yet to see how many cartridges it will hold.

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It was fun to wake up this morning to all these photos of interesting rifles and museum letters.  Thanks guys!

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Bert H. said
Magazine tube/capacity ??? My Single Shots don’t have that problem… they all hold ONE cartridge!!
Bert  

That matches up nicely with my math skills, I generally only load one even in my magazine guns. Unless I’m shooting doubles, then it’s one per tube. 😉

 

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Don,

A quick question for you… how long is the forend stock on your 38-55 short rifle, and what is the length of the octagon section of the barrel? The reason I ask is that am having a discussion with one of the fellows who works for Doug Turnbull about magazine forends stock lengths on the 20″ and 22″ Model 1894 Short Rifles, and if the 1/2 octagon barrels had any influence on the stock length.

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Don,

A quick question for you… how long is the forend stock on your 38-55 short rifle, and what is the length of the octagon section of the barrel? The reason I ask is that am having a discussion with one of the fellows who works for Doug Turnbull about magazine forends stock lengths on the 20″ and 22″ Model 1894 Short Rifles, and if the 1/2 octagon barrels had any influence on the stock length.

Bert

p.s. I am currently in Astoria.  

Hi Bert,  I’m at work but I know it has the long forearm wood.  I’ll take some measurements when I get home later.

Don

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deerhunter said
Here’s my 1894 that letters with a 2/3 magazine.  Had some interesting factory changes documented in the letter as well.

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Here’s my 1894 short rifle that letters with a 1/2 magazine.

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I haven’t loaded up the magazine on this one yet to see how many cartridges it will hold.

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Don  

Great examples Don…….. I’d love to own any of those. Each of them very unique in their own respect. 

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deerhunter said
Here’s my 1894 that letters with a 2/3 magazine.  Had some interesting factory changes documented in the letter as well.

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Here’s my 1894 short rifle that letters with a 1/2 magazine.

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I haven’t loaded up the magazine on this one yet to see how many cartridges it will hold.

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Don  

Wow – that M1894 short rifle with the pistol grip checkered wood, half octagon barrel and half magazine … REALLY SPEAKS TO ME.  

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Winchester magazine tube shot capacities

There are several references for magazine tube capacities. Some are a cartridge less or more but the Winchester catalogs seem to include one in the chamber for most descriptions. In the 1891 catalogue under 1886 model, Winchester states “a rifle with 26 inch barrel and full magazine will carry 9 shots.”
Just below that it states “half magazine rifles will carry 3 cartridges in the magazine tube and one in the barrel.”
So one description refers to the total amount of cartridges the rifle will hold and the other description states exactly how many in the magazine tube with one in the barrel. It would’ve been nice if all descriptions were the same as the half mag.

Winchester magazine tube capacities. “Does not include one in the chamber”.

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Model 1866 rifle with 24″ bl – 16
Musket, 27″ bl – 16
Carbine, 20″ bl, – 12
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Model 1873 Rifle cal 44/38/32, 24″ bl – 14
Half mag – 5
Musket, 30″ bl – 16
Carbine, 20″ bl – 11

22 cal rifle with 24” bl – 24 shorts and 19 longs
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Model 1876 Rifle, 28″ bl – 11
Musket 32″ bl – 12
Carbine 22″ bl – 8
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Model 1886 Rifle, 26″ bl, (45-70/40-65/38-56) – 9
Half mag – 4

50 EX, 45-90, 45-70-500 etc – 8
Half mag – 3
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Model 1892 rifle 24” bl – 15
Carbine 20” bl – 12
Button mag carbine 20” bl – 5
Musket 30” bl – 17
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Model 1894 30WCF rifle 26” bl – 8 confirmed
Half mag 30 WCF rifle 26” – 3

20” 30WCF Carbine – 6
Button mag – 3
16” 30WCF WCF Trapper – 5
14” 30WCF WCF Trapper – 4 confirmed

Model 64 30WCF – 5 confirmed
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Model 1895 has a 4 cartridge magazine capacity

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Bert H. said
Don,

A quick question for you… how long is the forend stock on your 38-55 short rifle, and what is the length of the octagon section of the barrel? The reason I ask is that am having a discussion with one of the fellows who works for Doug Turnbull about magazine forends stock lengths on the 20″ and 22″ Model 1894 Short Rifles, and if the 1/2 octagon barrels had any influence on the stock length.

Bert

p.s. I am currently in Astoria.  

Hi Bert,

The forend stock is 9 3/8 inches.  The octagon portion of the barrel measures 11 1/8 inches:

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pdog72 said

Great examples Don…….. I’d love to own any of those. Each of them very unique in their own respect.   

Thanks Gary.  I’m a sucker for 1894’s with unusual features and high condition.

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steve004 said

Wow – that M1894 short rifle with the pistol grip checkered wood, half octagon barrel and half magazine … REALLY SPEAKS TO ME.    

Thanks Steve.  This is a favorite in my collection and was thrilled to find it, especially with it being a 38-55.

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deerhunter said

Thanks Steve.  This is a favorite in my collection and was thrilled to find it, especially with it being a 38-55.

Don  

The .38-55 aspect of it adds a lot of thrill Cool

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