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January 11, 2022 - 11:10 pm
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Anyone have a template or chart showing each model and mag capacity for half(button), 2/3, 3/4, & full.

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January 12, 2022 - 1:48 pm
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Just a followup to my inquiry. This might be a project for the collector with every model & mag tube configuration. I know you’re out there. Hint hint.

Also I can’t remember seeing CFM letters with the words 2/3 or 3/4 magazine. Anyone?

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January 12, 2022 - 3:08 pm
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Rick; pretty common;  20220112_095914.jpgImage Enlarger20220112_100048.jpgImage Enlarger or sometimes “4 or5 cartridge mag” I had a ’94 that said 2/3 mag

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January 12, 2022 - 3:25 pm
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Yes I’ve had several letter with half mag but never saw 2/3 or 3/4 on any or that I ever saw. Thanks for confirming Henry.

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January 12, 2022 - 3:45 pm
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Is 4 cartridges a special order mag tube? I thought all 30WCF/25-35/32WS half mags held 4 cartridges. Maybe it’s only 3 ??‍♂️. Why would they add “4 cartridges” along with the “half mag” entry?

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January 12, 2022 - 4:39 pm
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RickC said
Just a followup to my inquiry. This might be a project for the collector with every model & mag tube configuration. I know you’re out there. Hint hint.

Also I can’t remember seeing CFM letters with the words 2/3 or 3/4 magazine. Anyone?  

Here’s an ’86 of mine that letters with a “3/4 magazine”:

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January 12, 2022 - 5:37 pm
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Thanks Steve. That definitely confirms it like Henry said.

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January 12, 2022 - 7:08 pm
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I think it depende on who was making the ledger entry whether it was 1/2 mag or 4 cartridge mag.

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January 12, 2022 - 7:23 pm
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Henry Mero said
I think it depende on who was making the ledger entry whether it was 1/2 mag or 4 cartridge mag.  

We know the customer sometimes specified how many cartridges they wanted the magazine to hold.  I think when this happened, that was often recorded in the ledger.

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RickC ,  Sounds as if you would be a good one to start gathering data and producing such matrix.  I can provide the start of the data by extracting advertised capacities from the few catalogs I have.  Here is your start:

  Per the Feb 1890 catalog,  Model 1866 rifle with 24″ bbl   17 shots

                                                          Musket, 27″ bbl,    17 shots

                                                           Carbine, 20″ bbl,   13 shots   (Note:  I do not know if one in the chamber counts)

                                          Model 1873 Rifle, 24″ bbl,        15 shots     Half mag,   6 shots

                                                            Musket, 30″ bbl,     17 shots

                                                             Carbine, 20″ bbl,     12 shots   (nothing reflected ref custom mag length)

                                            Model 1876  Rifle, 28″ bbl,       12 shots

                                                               Musket 32″ bbl,   13 shots

                                                                Carbine 22″ bbl,    9 shot

                                                                 Express Rifles with 26″ and 22″ show no capacities listed

                                              Model 1886 Rifle, 26″ bbl, 9 in .45-7-405, and of that length.  4 in half length magazine

                                                                                    8 in .50 EX, 45-90, 45-70-500 etc,   3 in half magazine lengths

    Moving up to the Jun 1893 catalog, it repeats the same data but adds the model 1892.  However I did not see any magazine capacities for the new 1892 listed, nor did it show a carbine nor musket version.  I suggest you pursue documenting data as you can, and putting it into a matrix for your and our edification.  Not a question I would have thought of.

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January 12, 2022 - 9:56 pm
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Tag I’m it lol. Ok Tim thanks for this info. Anyone else who can help out with providing mag tube capacities for 92/94/95 in any or all configurations & calibers would be appreciated.

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The capacity of the 1886 does not seem correct, take the 45-90 for example. If the loaded casings are over 2″ in length it’s impossible to get 17 cartridges in a 24″ magazine tube………  It sounds correct for a model 1890 with 22 shorts.

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January 13, 2022 - 12:51 am
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I don’t see 17 for the 86 Erin. This is what I have so far.

Model 1886 Rifle,
26″ bl, (45-70)-9
Half mag 4
50 EX, 45-90, 45-70-500 etc – 8
Half magazine lengths 3

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January 13, 2022 - 1:13 am
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RickC, you have it correct per the catalog, anyway!  I hope you have a good sense of humor!  And “tag” was a great response!

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Erin Grivicich said
The capacity of the 1886 does not seem correct, take the 45-90 for example. If the loaded casings are over 2″ in length it’s impossible to get 17 cartridges in a 24″ magazine tube………  It sounds correct for a model 1890 with 22 shorts.

Erin  

I think this was for the Model 1866.  Here’s a question – how long is a compressed magazine spring?  I assume the longer the magazine, the longer the spring as it needs to hold forward tension on that very last cartridge.  

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January 13, 2022 - 3:27 am
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Here’s a group shot with quite a few magazine length examples represented. And no, I’m not going to jam them all full of shells to see how many will fit. I’ll leave that task to the retired folks in the group with more time on their hands. Smile

Oh, and never mind that lowly carbine in the bunch…..

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I might also point out the 1895 does not have a tube magazine.  I see I overlooked providing the info on the shorts and longs for the 1873 rifle.  It said in the Jun 1893 catalog that the 24 inch barrel would allow 25 shorts for those so chambered, and 20 longs for those so chambered.  I had extracted that previously be seemingly missed entering it the first time.  Sorry about that.

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January 13, 2022 - 7:19 am
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Magazine tube/capacity ??? My Single Shots don’t have that problem… they all hold ONE cartridge!!

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January 13, 2022 - 4:16 pm
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Has anyone seen a, “2/3rd” or, “7/8th” length referred to in a museum letter?

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RickC said
I don’t see 17 for the 86 Erin. This is what I have so far.

Model 1886 Rifle,
26″ bl, (45-70)-9
Half mag 4
50 EX, 45-90, 45-70-500 etc – 8
Half magazine lengths 3  

My bad Rick, In Tim’s post I mis read 1866 as 1886………Embarassed  I need to quit posting after 10:00 P.M…Wink

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