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AG said
I’m willing to bet there are some nervous owners/collectors still out there who posses some of these pieces that were “brokered” by Mr Wilson…
Wish I could say I was among them!
??? I don’t understand your response: You’d want to be among a buyer who perhaps overpaid for a fraudulent, or ill begotten rifle?!?!?
….or perhaps the chance of having something truly rare and exceptional would be worth the risk?
If you cheat a working man you have a enemy, if you cheat a rich man you go to jail. T/R
foxfire said
??? I don’t understand your response: You’d want to be among a buyer who perhaps overpaid for a fraudulent, or ill begotten rifle?!?!?
No, but I’d like to be among the League of Fat Cats who had the money to buy the kinds of guns Wilson was involved with; he didn’t concern himself with bargain-basement guns, the only kind I can afford. And even one of the fakes–which would probably be a gun with superb but non-original engraving–I’d be proud to own.
TR said
If you cheat a working man you have a enemy, if you cheat a rich man you go to jail. T/R
The working man doesn’t have the 4 or 5 Gs it would probably take to risk a civil suit; “risk,” I say, because there’s no guarantee of the outcome, no matter how much is spent.
TR said
If you cheat a working man you have a enemy, if you cheat a rich man you go to jail. T/R
True.
Hero to Zero. Greed & Fame gets the best of a lot of folks. I wonder if after all this(2006) if there was a more noticeable decline in values immediately? & moving forward. As quoted, “He has done more for gun collecting in the United States than any person. He’s also done more against it.”
1badf350 said
I was caught off-guard by the news that R.L. Wilson had passed away in December. I’m very saddened to hear of this.The reason I had searched him is because I found what I believe to be word-for-word plagiarism of a paragraph in one of his books. Does anyone know who is handling copyright issues for his work?
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/12/22/in-memoriam-noted-firearms-author-rl-wilson/
AG said
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/12/22/in-memoriam-noted-firearms-author-rl-wilson/
Interesting that there is no mention of the “dark-side” of Mr. Wilson? Is there anything to make of that – particularly from the American Rifleman?!?!?!
foxfire said
Interesting that there is no mention of the “dark-side” of Mr. Wilson? Is there anything to make of that – particularly from the American Rifleman?!?!?!
Not something that’s usually mentioned in an obituary or memoriam. I’m sure he still had friends who were never monetarily affected by any of it but in reality every collector was .
I would speculate the AR writer was one of these friends
https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/remembering-s-p-fjestad/
& also possibly just didn’t want to stir up the gun collector world again….10 yrs later.
1badf350 said
I met him at the Baltimore show last year. He looked at and confirmed factory engraving on an 1873 i had with me. Seemed like a nice fellow.Although, the content of his character and debate thereof is not the reason I started this thread, and I do not wish for it to continue down that road.
If the Henry catalog issue is a moot point now, so be it. I didnt know the man, I was simply looking out for his interests, as I would do for any one of you guys who have published works.
It’s nice of you to want to alert him. Regardless of his background. Plagiarism is different from copyright issues. Plagiarism is a social and literary offense, where copyright infringement is a legal issue.
The magazine may be guilty of failure to give credit, or a footnote was added without the cite in the call. Or it was blatant. Hard to know without seeing the issue. But not usually a legal issue unless it was taking a unique construction or work and passing it off as their own ( formula, plans, etc.)
As for copyrights for individual authors, they last for the life of the author and continue for 70 years after death. Companies that own them are 120 years.
Anyway, no comments on his past, I don’t know him or his works. But sounds like he had an interesting life.
foxfire said
Interesting that there is no mention of the “dark-side” of Mr. Wilson? Is there anything to make of that – particularly from the American Rifleman?!?!?!
Don’t believe an obituary wouldn’t have been the proper place to bring that up, esp. considering that his “dark-side,” taken at its worst, doesn’t invalidate the usefulness of his many books to collectors.
JustinG said
Plagiarism is a social and literary offense, where copyright infringement is a legal issue.
Plagiarism is the worst offense an author can commit, & if he was guilty of that, I consider it a crime of moral turpitude much greater than swindling a few fat-cats. But plagiarism can become a legal issue if the victim of it sues.
clarence said
Plagiarism is the worst offense an author can commit, & if he was guilty of that, I consider it a crime of moral turpitude much greater than swindling a few fat-cats. But plagiarism can become a legal issue if the victim of it sues.
I pass no judgment on the morality. That’s for others. As for the law, that’s my stock and trade, and yes, he or his estate can sue, as long as you can show damages.
first-I am not an expert of any kind. my opinion is based on personal experience and observation. one principal “fact” overlooked w/ regards to “accuracy” in printed works is that most are printed in the PRC=Peoples Republic of China (Communist China). Work is obviously done by people who do not speak, read, nor understand English. “spellcheckers” are also not evidenced, nor the use of proofreaders. Captions, sentences, photo IDs, even whole paragraphs are frequently in the wrong place or missing entirely. Every firearms reference work I have read or owned suffers from these problems, even Janes recognition guides and the Winchester book. One exception seems to be ‘Military Small Arms of the Twentieth Century” (Ian Hogg & others), now apparently long out of print. Thanx for your time.
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