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Gunbroker will be charging state sales tax as of tomorrow
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December 31, 2020 - 6:58 pm
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Just a heads up for you guys that live in states that charge online sales tax, as of tomorrow plan on paying the extra $…….. I received a memo from GB this morning. (I’m one of the unfortunate)Frown

 

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Will encourage “private sales.” 

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Erin Grivicich said
Just a heads up for you guys that live in states that charge online sales tax, as of tomorrow plan on paying the extra $…….. I received a memo from GB this morning. (I’m one of the unfortunate)Frown

 

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I think I saw a recent update on another forum where it will be 8 states that GB will be charging sales tax?

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Erin Grivicich said
Just a heads up for you guys that live in states that charge online sales tax, as of tomorrow plan on paying the extra $…….. I received a memo from GB this morning. (I’m one of the unfortunate)Frown

 

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Legally they should have been doing this already.  Most have been doing it for months.  Even if they don’t I have to pay sales tax when a gun is shipped into CA. through a Dealer.

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Chuck said

Legally they should have been doing this already.  Most have been doing it for months.  Even if they don’t I have to pay sales tax when a gun is shipped into CA. through a Dealer.  

Is the change that GB will be adding the tax in during the check-out process?  I believe this is how it works on Ebay.  But Ebay is very paypal driven, GB is not.  What if the buyer on GB pays with a money order or cashier’s check, etc.?  The seller has to calculate the tax based on the buyer’s state of residence and then send it into that state?  Maybe there is no scenario where GB collects the tax and sends it in?  This is a mystery to me at the moment.  

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I’m not sure how that is going to work, on GB you still have the option to collect directly from the buyer. I’m thinking GB is going to automatically add the appropriate sales tax to the total of the item and when you pay your monthly statement you will be invoiced for all applicable taxes due.

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I hate selling on Flea bay due to the high percentage (compared to GB) but Flea bay gets a lot more traffic than GB.

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Is the change that GB will be adding the tax in during the check-out process?  I believe this is how it works on Ebay.  But Ebay is very paypal driven, GB is not.  What if the buyer on GB pays with a money order or cashier’s check, etc.?  The seller has to calculate the tax based on the buyer’s state of residence and then send it into that state?  Maybe there is no scenario where GB collects the tax and sends it in?  This is a mystery to me at the moment.  

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Read this.  This is a Federal Law.  Each State has it’s own law and procedures for compliance.

What Does the Wayfair Decision Really Mean for States, Businesses, and Consumers? (taxfoundation.org)

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 Gunbroker is just doing what Ebay and all the online sites have been forced into. They are selling national and forced into collecting state sales tax.

 Sales tax is a state issue and laws vary as to what is taxable. If you buy something while in another state, you pay there by their laws. If you buy from another state, while in your state, you can pay by your state’s law and rate. If you are buying to resell with a sales tax number, you do not have to pay until you sell. Having the permit means you have to file and send in tax collected. If you falsely claim to be sales tax exempt or collect tax and don’t file, you have a problem! This is my understanding maybe not fact. If someone corrects me it won’t hurt my feelings, the ins and outs of sales tax laws varies and is constantly changing. Your accountant will know.

 While I was typing Chuck posted a link that explains the whole mess. T/R

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steve004 said

Is the change that GB will be adding the tax in during the check-out process?  I believe this is how it works on Ebay.  But Ebay is very paypal driven, GB is not.  What if the buyer on GB pays with a money order or cashier’s check, etc.? 

I usually ask the seller on ebay (collector stuff, I mean) if he will accept a USPS money order; some are glad to, others think they must kowtow to ebay.   Sales taxes are the most inequitable of all taxes, so I’m going to fight them any way I can.  Taxes on new merchandise is one thing, but re-taxing a used item every time it’s re-sold?  Saddest thing of all is that it was a Republican-controlled Congress that inflicted this blow.

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The Supreme Court ruled the wrong way on this one.  We are already taxed to death so a sales tax is rather petty, be it Gunbroker or otherwise.

Few bargains on Gunbroker to begin with.  This makes it even worse.  OR, the bidder calculates his highest bid with sales tax and the seller nets less.

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Was it pared down to just 8 states that GB will be adding sales tax?

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mrcvs said
The Supreme Court ruled the wrong way on this one.  We are already taxed to death so a sales tax is rather petty, be it Gunbroker or otherwise.

Few bargains on Gunbroker to begin with.  This makes it even worse.  OR, the bidder calculates his highest bid with sales tax and the seller nets less.  

It will be like the big auction houses, the bidder will adjust his bid to take the juice in account.

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1873man said

It will be like the big auction houses, the bidder will adjust his bid to take the juice in account.

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Almost, If you are from a taxable state and you are bidding against someone in a nontaxable one that gives the nontaxable bidder a bit of an advantage……

 

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Erin Grivicich said

Almost, If you are from a taxable state and you are bidding against someone in a nontaxable one that gives the nontaxable bidder a bit of an advantage……

 

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And my gripe about auction houses.  The only way it to be fair is to have no sales tax on repurchased, secondhand, used items, call it what you will.  Gives folks in Delaware and New Hampshire, for example, more of a level playing field than others.  Of course, buying locally one would have the advantage as they would not have to pay sales tax.

I have to pay more than others out of state when I use Morphy’s for example. 

I don’t even really understand the concept of a sales tax to begin with.  Sales tax, and that’s it, or property tax, and no sales tax, but not both.  Plus, in Pennsylvania, one pays property taxes and then 1% to one’s local jurisdiction.  Why do they need that when they are already getting property taxes?  Maybe so renters do not escape unscathed???

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I don’t even really understand the concept of a sales tax to begin with.  Sales tax, and that’s it, or property tax, and no sales tax, but not both.  Plus, in Pennsylvania, one pays property taxes and then 1% to one’s local jurisdiction.  Why do they need that when they are already getting property taxes?  Maybe so renters do not escape unscathed???  

There’s one, & ONLY one, equitable way to raise taxes–taxes on the tax-payer’s individual wealth.

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From GunBroker:

The GunBroker.com MPF States

Starting on January 1, 2021, GunBroker.com will collect and remit sales tax on behalf of all sellers for sales in which the item is sold into the following states:

  • Georgia – GA
  • Iowa – IA
  • Indiana – IN
  • Kentucky – KY
  • Maine – ME
  • Nebraska – NE
  • New Jersey – NJ
  • Nevada – NV

As GunBroker.com works to implement tax collection and remittance for all relevant states, the list of states for which we carry out the process described below will increase and/or change.  We will strive to notify sellers of the changes being made to the list of states above as they occur.  As used in this document, the term “GunBroker.com MPF States” means all the states listed above, as updated on this webpage from time to time.

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From GunBroker:

The GunBroker.com MPF States

Starting on January 1, 2021, GunBroker.com will collect and remit sales tax on behalf of all sellers for sales in which the item is sold into the following states:

    • Georgia – GA
    • Iowa – IA
    • Indiana – IN
    • Kentucky – KY
    • Maine – ME
    • Nebraska – NE
    • New Jersey – NJ
    • Nevada – NV

As GunBroker.com works to implement tax collection and remittance for all relevant states, the list of states for which we carry out the process described below will increase and/or change.  We will strive to notify sellers of the changes being made to the list of states above as they occur.  As used in this document, the term “GunBroker.com MPF States” means all the states listed above, as updated on this webpage from time to time.  

Thank you.  That is the list I recall seeing.  I was going to look for it this morning so I’m glad you got here ahead of me.  We know that many states beyond that list collect sales tax.  Which means the list will grow.  I’ll bet they have a hornet’s nest of details to sort out.  For example, Minnesota is a state with plenty high sales tax, however they don’t have sales tax on clothing or shoes.  People sell hunting clothing and boots on gunbroker.  Just an example of what needs to get sorted out.  

Reminds me of sitting around the table before opening day of deer season.  My Dad’s oldest brother was there – I suppose this was 20+ years ago.  He had purchased his deer license that day and he was paging through the regulation booklet (book).  It was plenty thick.  I recall the grimace on his face as he leafed through it.  He growledYell, “I remember when this used to be a thin pamphlet!” 

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2 thoughts here:

Sometimes when negotiating the purchase of an antique firearm, you’re lucky to get 5% off on something you want.  Essentially that’s the advantage those in the states not listed have over those forced to pay sales tax.

Why not make it easy and exempt all items sold secondhand from this nonsense?  The states already collected sales tax the first time around.  If one purchases gold or silver coins there is no sales tax.  Why is this any different for firearms as both are largely collectibles.

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mrcvs said
2 thoughts here:

Sometimes when negotiating the purchase of an antique firearm, you’re lucky to get 5% off on something you want.  Essentially that’s the advantage those in the states not listed have over those forced to pay sales tax.

Why not make it easy and exempt all items sold secondhand from this nonsense?  The states already collected sales tax the first time around.  If one purchases gold or silver coins there is no sales tax.  Why is this any different for firearms as both are largely collectibles.  

Makes a lot of sense.  Unfortunately, things are rarely decided on what makes sense.

I’m known for the adage, “If you want to understand most anything, apply an economic analysis, and you will have your answer.”  I believe that applies 100% here.  The states see a way to pull more revenue in – and they have no motivation to think beyond that point.  

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steve004 said
Was it pared down to just 8 states that GB will be adding sales tax?  

Absolutely not.  Without going back and researching this again I believe that includes all states that have sales tax already.  There are a few that don’t.

California was one of the first and most aggressive to want their ransom.  Early on the only manufactures that had to comply were those that actually had a brick and mortar store in Ca.  There are many small sellers on Ebay that don’t know or just don’t care.  Just like other items that Ca. won’t let come into the state, Ebay can be your friend. 

Don’t violate any Federal laws or State ones that can get you into real problems.

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