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Just noticed Don Grove is closing his web site as of February 1st..

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Ya that’s too bad says due to illness.

And one of the brass frame Henry’s says “stolen in Tulsa”. Is that a sayin for a good deal or was it actually lifted at the show. 

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Ya that’s too bad says due to illness.

And one of the brass frame Henry’s says “stolen in Tulsa”. Is that a sayin for a good deal or was it actually lifted at the show. 

  

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Sad indeed. I sold him a gun awhile back, was a pleasure doing business with him. It’s my understanding the Henry was stolen from Don at the Tulsa show some years back. 

 

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The Henry was stolen at the Tulsa show seven or eight years ago.  Never recovered. 

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Ya that’s too bad says due to illness.

And one of the brass frame Henry’s says “stolen in Tulsa”. Is that a sayin for a good deal or was it actually lifted at the show. 

  

  I go to every Tulsa show and maybe 5-6 years ago a table holder was stealing Henry’s. Don had one taken for real. I think they put a stop to that by adding cameras. 

 I talked to security last November, off duty Tulsa Police, and they said the criminals come to Tulsa for the show. They steal vehicles with the guns in them and  recovery is rare. Both are moved out of state immediately and never recovered. The owner of the gun registers the stolen gun’s serial number and if lucky it  shows up at an auction. Vehicles are parted. I had a local friend that lost his truck and guns out of the Hotel parking lot, never recovered. I would recommend not leaving guns in an unattended vehicle.  T/R   

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Ya that’s too bad says due to illness.

And one of the brass frame Henry’s says “stolen in Tulsa”. Is that a sayin for a good deal or was it actually lifted at the show. 

  

  I go to every Tulsa show and maybe 5-6 years ago a table holder was stealing Henry’s. Don had one taken for real. I think they put a stop to that by adding cameras. 

 I talked to security last November, off duty Tulsa Police, and they said the criminals come to Tulsa for the show. They steal vehicles with the guns in them and  recovery is rare. Both are moved out of state immediately and never recovered. The owner of the gun registers the stolen gun’s serial number and if lucky it  shows up at an auction. Vehicles are parted. I had a local friend that lost his truck and guns out of the Hotel parking lot, never recovered. I would recommend not leaving guns in an unattended vehicle.  T/R   

  

My experience with stolen collector guns here in Texas is that the guns were often believed to be transported out of the country immediately after the theft, often within hours. I haven’t been involved in a theft like this one in quite some time but things probably haven’t changed much. Nowadays the smart thief knows the gun can’t be sold on the collector market in its current configuration. 

 

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Wow that’s just terrible. I guess you have to be on high alert at a big show like Tulsa with these criminals lurking around. And to think another vendor stealing guns. Some serious considerations as a vendor with guns for sale. And when I left the show I would be pulling out of Dodge & motoring as far away as I could before stopping for the night if I purchased anything, and then they would be under my pillows! 

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There were a few Henry’s stolen at this show.  You could see some in the WACA magazine in the Classified Section under Stolen but Don’s is the only one still running the ad. 

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Wow that’s just terrible. I guess you have to be on high alert at a big show like Tulsa with these criminals lurking around. And to think another vendor stealing guns. Some serious considerations as a vendor with guns for sale. And when I left the show I would be pulling out of Dodge & motoring as far away as I could before stopping for the night if I purchased anything, and then they would be under my pillows! 

  

I used to know a rep for a well known manufacturer of law enforcement firearms, some of his samples were what we used to call Class III weapons and silencers. He never took any of his samples into his home or motel room. He felt carrying them in and out would draw attention to them and invite a home (or motel room) invasion. My guns are insured, I don’t want to test my shooting skills against invaders. I don’t want my tombstone to read “He got the first three…”
From what I hear the Tulsa thieves’ MO has been determined so a repeat is unlikely unless they change the way they do business. 

 

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For TR and Mike and others that are interested.  Long ago,now, Tommy Rholes passed on some info to me regards this subject.  He told me who, but that was a waste of breath as I don’t recall names.  Anyway, it was someone who brought a lot of high quality/expensive firearms to Cody each year.  He drove the same route, stayed at the same motel each year, etc.  As in he was entirely predictable.  Aside from the lot of high quality/expensive rifles, it could be me (or maybe you, too!).  One year he stopped for the night after leaving Cody. Next morning his car and firearms were all gone.  Tommy passed on advice to vary driving routes and stay in different motels each year, etc.  Don’t be predictable.  Then he began bringing younger folks with him and they drove pretty much straight through both coming and going.  I am often by myself and too old for that anymore.  So be unpredictable.  Its good to bring these lessons back up to remind us all.   Tim  PS, I too believe hauling rifles in and out of the motel only invites attention.  My car is alarmed and I park by the front desk area.  

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A few years back several cars were broken into in a motel parking lot the night before setup day at a TGCA show in Waco, Texas. I never got many of the details but heard later one or more of the motel staff was involved. I park where I can see my car from the motel window and I try not to stay in the host city the night before a show. Being aware of your surroundings and varying your route is just good defense for folks carrying expensive items or large amounts of cash.

 

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This reminds me of an article I read in the Winter 1992 Collector magazine regarding Harold McCallum (aka Winchester Man) and his (H.A.M.) marked Winchesters.  Evidently, he had his whole collection of Winchesters stolen in Chicago but was later recovered due to his initials being on all the guns.  Coincidentally, I have a 15-inch 1894 trapper carbine with a small “H.A.M.” neatly stamped on the receiver right above the serial number. Normally, I cringe when I see added markings such as drivers license numbers, Social Security numbers, etc. marred on Winchesters, but in this instance I thought the “H.A.M.” initials were pretty cool and ties some collector history to the gun.

Here’s a link to that article:

https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/199201/13/

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This reminds me of an article I read in the Winter 1992 Collector magazine regarding Harold McCallum (aka Winchester Man) and his (H.A.M.) marked Winchesters.  Evidently, he had his whole collection of Winchesters stolen in Chicago but was later recovered due to his initials being on all the guns.  Coincidentally, I have a 15-inch 1894 trapper carbine with a small “H.A.M.” neatly stamped on the receiver right above the serial number. Normally, I cringe when I see added markings such as drivers license numbers, Social Security numbers, etc. marred on Winchesters, but in this instance I thought the “H.A.M.” initials were pretty cool and ties some collector history to the gun.

Here’s a link to that article:

https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/199201/13/

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Don, what a coincidence the very next story on the 27” 01 shotgun, was once in my collection and sold it to  Rob who submitted the story, both him and I at the time never twigged about the barrel length until he read somewhere about one in existence. he sold it last year and is now in another collection in Australia 

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Here’s a link to the Portland $40,000 motel parking lot theft of trailer full of guns, and how the thieves were captured and sentenced. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/12/woman-who-stole-trailer-full-of-guns-in-portland-then-led-police-on-chase-sentenced-to-time-served.html

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This reminds me of an article I read in the Winter 1992 Collector magazine regarding Harold McCallum (aka Winchester Man) and his (H.A.M.) marked Winchesters.  Evidently, he had his whole collection of Winchesters stolen in Chicago but was later recovered due to his initials being on all the guns.  Coincidentally, I have a 15-inch 1894 trapper carbine with a small “H.A.M.” neatly stamped on the receiver right above the serial number. Normally, I cringe when I see added markings such as drivers license numbers, Social Security numbers, etc. marred on Winchesters, but in this instance I thought the “H.A.M.” initials were pretty cool and ties some collector history to the gun.

Here’s a link to that article:

https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/199201/13/

Don

  

Don, what a coincidence the very next story on the 27” 01 shotgun, was once in my collection and sold it to  Rob who submitted the story, both him and I at the time never twigged about the barrel length until he read somewhere about one in existence. he sold it last year and is now in another collection in Australia 

  

That is quite the coincidence!

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Here’s a link to the Portland $40,000 motel parking lot theft of trailer full of guns, and how the thieves were captured and sentenced. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/12/woman-who-stole-trailer-full-of-guns-in-portland-then-led-police-on-chase-sentenced-to-time-served.html

Why the sensationalism?  30 longarms doesn’t fill a trailer.  In gunsleeves, it might fill the back seat of a car.

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Here’s a link to the Portland $40,000 motel parking lot theft of trailer full of guns, and how the thieves were captured and sentenced. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/12/woman-who-stole-trailer-full-of-guns-in-portland-then-led-police-on-chase-sentenced-to-time-served.html

  

Released without providing info leading to recovery of the guns?  But I guess the wonder is that, in Portland, they served any time at all. 

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Here’s a link to the Portland $40,000 motel parking lot theft of trailer full of guns, and how the thieves were captured and sentenced. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/12/woman-who-stole-trailer-full-of-guns-in-portland-then-led-police-on-chase-sentenced-to-time-served.html

  

Released without providing info leading to recovery of the guns?  But I guess the wonder is that, in Portland, they served any time at all. 

  

Time served? Hope there’s more to this story but I’m not going to subscribe and find out. 

 

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TXGunNut said Time served? Hope there’s more to this story but I’m not going to subscribe and find out.  

Evidently no plea deal, like revealing who fenced them in return for release.  Had they merely stolen jewelry, antiques, etc, probably would have been no jail time at all, unless the vermin had very long rap sheets. (Absolutely no jail time in “no bail” NYS & Cally even WITH long rap sheets!)  But GUNS made it a Fed offense, & that’s the only reason they got their wrists slapped.

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TXGunNut said Time served? Hope there’s more to this story but I’m not going to subscribe and find out.  

Evidently no plea deal, like revealing who fenced them in return for release.  Had they merely stolen jewelry, antiques, etc, probably would have been no jail time at all, unless the vermin had very long rap sheets. (Absolutely no jail time in “no bail” NYS & Cally even WITH long rap sheets!)  But GUNS made it a Fed offense, & that’s the only reason they got their wrists slapped.

  

Prosecutors may have had a weak case and didn’t want to push their luck. I couldn’t tell if it was prosecuted as a federal or state case, pic of the BATFE agent was probably a stock photo. The BATFE may investigate and the federal court system can prosecute in the event the victim is an FFL holder and other requirements are met. They sometimes prosecute cases where the state case is weak. With today’s press we’ll probably never know.

 

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