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My friend has an engraved 1866 that came out of the Harold’s Club collection in Reno. It is an 8 panel high relief gun. He has a 4 page letter from Larry Wilson. He is trying to find any information on this gun or the collection. Sorry, I will have to get the serial number. He has had this gun for over 20 years. He has talked to Pauline Muerrle. Has anyone reviewed the records in Cody or know who may do so?
It depends on the serial number if Cody has records on it. Get me the serial number and I will check my records.
Bob
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1873man said
It depends on the serial number if Cody has records on it. Get me the serial number and I will check my records.Bob
I doubt that they do but it is 46037.
I don’t have anything on #46037.
But #46027 was a deluxe engraved and cased rifle presented to James J. Hill.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Chuck,
Its was in a Butterfield auction in May of 94 and notes on it is a octagon barrel rifle relief engraved by Conrad Ulrich.
Bob
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Bob, this may be where he bought it? That was the auction where the collection was sold. Do you have a copy of the catalog page or the notes? He is trying to verify the engraver.
Maverick, that is interesting info. His gun is way beyond fancy. I wouldn’t doubt that is was a presentation gun too. Doug used to travel with Walt too. He probably has had this gun at Cody more than once.
Doug bought this gun from the guy who bought it at the Butterfield auction. It is signed 3 times by Conrad Ulrich. Who at Cody could do more research? He is trying to find who the gun was presented too not the engraver.
Chuck,
I don’t have that catalog. Finding that info from Cody would be a real long shot. You would end up paying them $50 a hour to look and then you have to give them a limit of what you want to spend.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Here is the contact numbers for them. Contact the Cody Firearms office and talk with them and tell them what your looking for. They might give you some other places to look or what they might have. My experience with this kind of information your looking for was not be saved by Winchester. The only place it sometime showed up was in the ledger.
https://centerofthewest.org/about-us/contact-us/
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Chuck,
I may have a copy of the Butterfield’s May 1994 catalog.
Bert
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Bert H. said
Chuck,
I may have a copy of the Butterfield’s May 1994 catalog.
Bert
The metal tag on the gun is marked 23. I saw the gun today and got to read the letter from Wilson. The sides have a lot of wear on the high relief areas. The wrist was cracked and fixed with a thin metal plate on each side. 2 of the C. Ulrich marks are stamped and one is engraved. The wood is marked VIII. Was gold washed and engraving everywhere. Who could do the research for him?
I found the May 1994 Butterfield’s auction catalog, and the subject Model 1866 was not listed or sold in that auction.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
That is what is noted as the source for serial 46037.
Bob
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1873man said
That is what is noted as the source for serial 46037.Bob
I went through the entire catalog page by page… it is not listed in the May 1994 The only gun that comes close is Lot # 1957, a Model 1866 Carbine serial number 138430 that is gold plated & engraved.
What source are you referring to?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
I got a bunch of survey info that included different models from a collector when I started mine.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
Bert,I got a bunch of survey info that included different models from a collector when I started mine.
Bob
Bob,
I suspect that it was not accurately recorded by the fellow (collector) you are referring to. I have the actual May 1994 catalog (as well as several hundred more).
Bert
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I have the Aug 1993 Butterfield catalog since I have a gun in it and found a 66 rifle s/n 107208 relief engraved gold trim and signed by C.F. Ulrich. It says it was possibly displayed at the Philadelphia Centennial of 1876 and was consecutive to 107209 engraved the same.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Bob and Bert. The 66 in question #46037 was in the Harold’s collection but some believe it may have been sold out the backdoor prior to the auction. So the fact that is not in the catalog may verify this belief. I wonder who worked for Butterfield & Butterfield during this time? Did Frank Malloy write a list of the guns in the Collection?
I found this online.
“In 1993, after The Fitzgerald Group had bought Harolds Club from the Summa Corporation, the collection was sold to the Butterfield & Butterfield auction house of San Francisco, and on May 3, 1994, the guns were auctioned off. “
There is a book about the collection.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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