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I just obtained a model 1894 made in 1904 with a double trigger and I’m curious if it’s working properly. The back trigger sets while cocking. I have read it’s supposed to be set from behind after cocking the gun but it doesn’t effect it when pushed.
I just joined here, this is my 4th model ‘94. I have a .45 LC saddle ring 94AE and a pre-64 30-30 made in 1952 as well as a .22 mag. I just love these rifles. Hope to enjoy this forum as well.
A single set and double set trigger work about the same. They can be set with or without the hammer cocked and can be tripped with the hammer in either state but don’t trip it with the hammer in the half cock. With the double set you push the rear trigger forward until you hear a click. You are cocking the knock off inside. Now you pull the front trigger to release it. If its not setting, its most likely the adjustment screw is missadjusted or its been taken apart and not assembled correctly. I have seen guns that someone adjusted them so they didn’t set to save the mechanism from getting broken from being played with.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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So I finally had some time to look at that double trigger problem. I screwed in the screw all the way and backed it out 3 turns and presto, it’s working great! Thanks for the info Bob, it was just adjusted all the way out so it wouldn’t actually set.
The sear is being held firm by the half cock notch and then the kick off hits the sear so worst case is you break the half cock notch off the hammer.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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Is there anyone else that works on double set triggers besides winchesterbob? I called and hes out at least 2 months before accepting any new work. I have a 92 double set that is missing one of the triggers….
So, while I’m getting used to this trigger I have a question about functionality. If I have a round in the chamber, can I let the hammer down, set the trigger and then cock the hammer too shoot? Seems like that would be a safer way than setting the trigger with the hammer cocked and accidentally sending a round.
Yes, you can set the trigger at any time with the hammer in any position. Just don’t release the set while the hammer is in the half cock. If your playing with the set trigger to get the feel of it or adjusting it. I do it on a empty chamber with my thumb in front of the hammer so I’m not dry firing it. If I have a round in the chamber, I will set the trigger while the gun is pointing down range just before I’m going to shoot.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Michael Martensen said
Seems like that would be a safer way than setting the trigger with the hammer cocked and accidentally sending a round.
That’s the way it’s meant to be used while aimed at the target. Set triggers don’t mix with careless gun handling.
1873man said
Yes, you can set the trigger at any time with the hammer in any position. Just don’t release the set while the hammer is in the half cock. If your playing with the set trigger to get the feel of it or adjusting it. I do it on a empty chamber with my thumb in front of the hammer so I’m not dry firing it. If I have a round in the chamber, I will set the trigger while the gun is pointing down range just before I’m going to shoot.Bob
That hammer bites Bob. I have a piece of a leather glove I use to keep the hammer from engaging. I am trying to find the sweet spot on this trigger. Amazing engineering especially for the time. Thanks for your help sir.
When I said I put my thumb in front of the hammer I don’t put it up against the firing pin so it gets nailed, I just hold it in front of the hammer to catch it.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Michael Martensen said
Amazing engineering especially for the time.
It’s the same basic design as used on Kentucky flint-locks. The close-coupled trigger was something new.
When I want to test a set trigger while in the firing position. I place a small trimmed piece of styrofoam or thick leather in front of the firing pin to prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin with full force. Just a thought. RDB
I have been told when shooting a set trigger to pull firm and continue the pull so the safety notch does not catch the sear and break the notch. I find that hard to do and shoot accurately. Instead I make sure the hammer fly is doing it’s job before I shoot the gun, it’s suppose to allow the sear to glide over the safety notch on the hammer. If it’s sticking, worn, or missing you will cause damage to the hammer, sear, or both.
That’s why when I test a set trigger I DO NOT LET THE HAMMER FALL until I know it’s clean and the fly is doing it’s job. I put my thumb in front of the hammer so I can feel it release but it does not move forward enough to catch on the safety notch. Dry fire damage is far less likely than hammer damage, but both are inexcusable. T/R
TR said
I have been told when shooting a set trigger to pull firm and continue the pull so the safety notch does not catch the sear and break the notch. I find that hard to do and shoot accurately.
This is why the half-cock notch was ground off some Schuetzen match rifles. I think chipping the sear tip is probably more of a worry than damaging the notch. But it can also happen to plain trigger sears if the sear is a bit to short, as it may be if it has been stoned to improve the pull. Had to grind off the notch on a plain, but very light, trigger Ballard I have for that reason.
That idea about “pulling firm” doesn’t make sense to me–the whole point of a set trigger is to allow ignition with the least possible disruption of your aim & hold. “Follow through” is something different–it’s maintaining your aim & hold after release of the trigger.
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