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C. F. Ulrich Counterstamped Coins
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I recently acquired a coin that has C. F. Ulrich’s rectangular name stamp on it (see attached photo). There’s not a lot of info on them online and one person posted a quote that said there were about 10 known to exist, but there’s no citation as to where that figure came from. I’ve seen three: the 3-cent piece from 1865 in my possession, a penny from 1869, and a nickel from 1870.

So, does anyone know why Ulrich stamped various coins, and do we know how many are known to exist today?

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122 views and no replies? Has no one ever encountered or heard of these coins before?

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122 views and no replies? Has no one ever encountered or heard of these coins before?  

I’m one of those 122 views.  And I have never encountered or even heard of these coins before your post.  They do sound interesting.

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I am one of the viewers also and have never seen one either, sorry.

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Any mention in Wilson’s book on Winchester engraving?  Can’t think of anyone else more likely to know something about them. 

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LMetesh said
I recently acquired a coin that has C. F. Ulrich’s rectangular name stamp on it (see attached photo). 

Thanks!  

Anyone else not able to view the photo? As I get an error message when trying to view it.

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I can’t either. could be the reason not many are responding.

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Anyone else not able to view the photo? As I get an error message when trying to view it.

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Maverick  

Same here. I saw his stamp in Riffle’s book and wondered why an engraver would use a stamp, but I digress.

 

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 Cannot view the picture either.

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Was thinking yesterday that I’d really like to see what the coin looks like.

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Was thinking yesterday that I’d really like to see what the coin looks like.  

The photo was visible when first posted, but not much to it–just a small squarish (if I remember rightly) die mark added that you probably wouldn’t notice unless you had some special reason to examine the coin closely.  The 3-cent coin itself is very interesting, as it was made in silver! 

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Let’s try another upload of the photos. I’ve included two shots of the coin and one of the stamp as it appears on a Model 1866. Wilson’s book has a photo of the stamp he used, which is dated 1867. The only reason I can think of that he would use one is because he himself made the stamp, which given its size, is impressive in its own right.

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The stamps of a engraver were used to identify their work but a stamp on a coin which is not engraved does not make sense except if it was done for kicks. Some engravers would mark dies they made for use in the Winchester factory so when it came time to repair a die they knew who to return it to. Below are some examples of J. Ulrich.

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 I have not seen a stamped coin but I do have a engraved 1866 with a J Ulrich stamp behind the trigger. It’s so close to the trigger it had to be stamped before installing the trigger. His stamp has also appeared on Winchester tooling and dies. This stamp is so small I don’t know how anyone in that day could do that detail. I assume he had other stamps of various designs and sizes. It’s my opinion stamps where a common way for making work.

 The 1866 in the picture has a serial number over-stamp and two C F Ulrich stamps, one croaked. This might not be a good example. T/R

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 The 1866 in the picture has a serial number over-stamp and two C F Ulrich stamps, one croaked. This might not be a good example. T/R  

It sold earlier this year for $54,625.

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One thought I had was that maybe old Conrad used the coins for “Testing” the quality of his stamp. Especially after he re-sharpened it. Or maybe he wanted to see how it performed when stamping different types of metal, as the three denominations you mentioned are different metals.

Of course that is mere speculation on my part.

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