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Recently as posted.  I guessed the .405 correctly.  I did not figure out the other one was .30 – 06, simply because Bert likes Winchester 1885 Single Shot Rifles.

Bert may recall the Winchester 1885 Single Shot Rifle offered at auction a few years ago that I wanted rather badly, this being in .405 WCF.  But not badly enough, I suppose.  My bid wasn’t even close to the winning bid.  Completely annihilated!

 So, with regards to the .30 – 06.  What rifle, Bert?

Were any Winchester 1885 rifles produced in this caliber, 1906 to 1920?

If not, are you a fan of the Winchester 1895 in .30 – 06?  If not, perhaps a closet Model 54 or Model 70 fan?

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Were any Winchester 1885 rifles produced in this caliber, 1906 to 1920?

  

 

Small wonder Bert’s preference:  simply the greatest, most versatile, “all-around” cartridge ever devised by the mind of man!  For all the blather about TR’s .405 in Africa, the gun he shot far more often was his custom ’03 Springfield.  Another Springfield sporter was the gun Hemingway swore by in Africa, though he also had a double-rifle.  Many similar examples could be adduced.

An unknown no. (under 50) of International Match Rifles were made up in .30-06, according to Campbell’s book.  I’ll be surprised if Bert doesn’t have one.

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Winchester did indeed manufacture (27) high-wall “International Match” rifles for the 1913 Camp Perry competition.

Here are some pictures of one of them (and No, I do not own it).

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mrcvs said
So, with regards to the .30 – 06.  What rifle, Bert?

Were any Winchester 1885 rifles produced in this caliber, 1906 to 1920?

If not, are you a fan of the Winchester 1895 in .30 – 06?  If not, perhaps a closet Model 54 or Model 70 fan?  

I own three rifles in 30-06; (1) a 1927 Model 54; (2) a Springfield Model 1903; and (3) a Remington Model 742 (150th Anniversary edition).   If I were inclined to own a 4th rifle, I would find a nice pre-WW II Model 70. 

As it turns out, I just purchased my first Model 70 rifle… that really nice (documented) Super Grade 22 K-Hornet rifle that Pre-64 posted here on the WACA forum a few months ago.  I am going over to his shop this coming Saturday morning to pick it up. An Unusually Well-documented 1946 Model 70 Super Grade Hornet | Winchester Rifles | Forum | Winchester CollectorWinchester Collector

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clarence said

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Were any Winchester 1885 rifles produced in this caliber, 1906 to 1920?

  

 

Small wonder Bert’s preference:  simply the greatest, most versatile, “all-around” cartridge ever devised by the mind of man!  For all the blather about TR’s .405 in Africa, the gun he shot far more often was his custom ’03 Springfield.  Another Springfield sporter was the gun Hemingway swore by in Africa, though he also had a double-rifle.  Many similar examples could be adduced.

An unknown no. (under 50) of International Match Rifles were made up in .30-06, according to Campbell’s book.  I’ll be surprised if Bert doesn’t have one.

  

Yes indeed… there is nothing on this planet that cannot be cleanly taken down with the proper 30-06 load!

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I’m a fan of the .30 – 06 as well.  The only unfortunate thing about the cartridge is that it came out in 1906 and cannot be found in original pre 1899 antique firearms.

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Bert H. said
Winchester did indeed manufacture (27) high-wall “International Match” rifles for the 1913 Camp Perry competition.

Here are some pictures of one of them (and No, I do not own it).

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Bert, you NEED one of these in your collection!

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mrcvs said Bert, you NEED one of these in your collection!

He already has far better looking SSs, though not as rare.  I saw one at a show when it was for sale 30 yrs ago, & it’s about the last gun I’d spend 10 Gs on.  (Assuming–an impossibility–I had the 10Gs!)  For the purpose for which it was conceived, it was a failure; not competitive against bolt guns like custom 1903 Springfields.

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I was surprised to discover Bert would lay his hands on anything that isn’t a Winchester.

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I was surprised to discover Bert would lay his hands on anything that isn’t a Winchester.  

I inherited the Springfield bolt-action rifles that I own and inherited three of the four Remington rifles that I own.  The one Remington that I own was custom ordered back in 1980… a Model 700 BDL Heavy Varmint in 222 Rem Mag.  Winchester did not offer a rifle in that specific cartridge. My dad bought a Model 700 BDL in 7mm Mag in 1962, and bought the Model 742 150th Anniversary 30-06 in 1966.  The other Remington is an original Model 722 in 222 Rem Mag that my grandfather purchased in 1949.  So, of the seven non-Winchester rifles that I own, six of them were inherited from my dad and grandad.

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Bert, watch out!  Getting your first Model 70 will lead to alot more!  I have been collecting, shooting, and hunting with them for over 40 Years now.  So, I know all about the Model 70 spell.  Enjoy your new Model 70.  I believe in my humble opion that it is the finest magazine rifle that was ever made.

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Can’t see why it would be a problem to own something other than Winchesters. Only a little over half of my holdings are Winchesters but I haven’t been collecting them as long as Bert or many of the other folks who hang out here. 

 

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Darrin Smith said
I’m not sure this isn’t the same one Bert posted.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1885/win-model-1885-hi-wall-international-match-target-rifle.cfm?gun_id=102024694

Considering the rarity, the special purpose for which it was designed by Albert Laudensack, the price really isn’t outrageous compared to the fantastic prices paid for common lever guns.  Since the seller (I’ll refrain from comments about him) has already lowered his price once, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d accept less, esp. since he’s got to be in his 80s.

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Can’t see why it would be a problem to own something other than Winchesters. 

The problem, if one cared to be become a true firearms authority rather than a niche specialist, would be in owning only Winchesters.  The gun world is vastly broader & deeper than that!

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clarence said

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Can’t see why it would be a problem to own something other than Winchesters. 

The problem, if one cared to be become a true firearms authority rather than a niche specialist, would be in owning only Winchesters.  The gun world is vastly broader & deeper than that!

  

Quite true… but I am not inclined to ever put a Mxxxxn in one of my safes!

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Bert H. said

clarence said

TXGunNut said

Can’t see why it would be a problem to own something other than Winchesters. 

The problem, if one cared to be become a true firearms authority rather than a niche specialist, would be in owning only Winchesters.  The gun world is vastly broader & deeper than that!

  

Quite true… but I am not inclined to ever put a Mxxxxn in one of my safes!

  

The older Marlins and Savages I’ve owned have helped me understand the Winchesters I’m focused on. They’ve moved on to make room for more Winchesters. OTOH only a few of my modern guns are stamped “Winchester”. One even has the “R” word on it. A handful are marked “Browning” and they seem to be right at home with my Winchesters.

 

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Bert H. said

Quite true… but I am not inclined to ever put a Mxxxxn in one of my safes!

 

Including a pre-war Marlin 39?

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I caved in and bought a Savage 1899 last year in .32 – 40.  I simply couldn’t find a decent Winchester Model 1894 in this caliber for the right money.  I was looking for a nice Winchester 1894 carbine.  This one is a short rifle.C9620685-4B66-4AD0-A055-E5DE7109721A.jpegImage Enlarger

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I caved in and bought a Savage 1899 last year in .32 – 40.  I simply couldn’t find a decent Winchester Model 1894 in this caliber for the right money.  I was looking for a nice Winchester 1894 carbine.  This one is a short rifle.C9620685-4B66-4AD0-A055-E5DE7109721A.jpegImage Enlarger

  

The Savage photo doesn’t come up – too bad – I would like to see it.  A Savage in a .32-40 is a lot scarcer than a Winchester.  I had a very high condition Savage M1899F .32-40 SRC – tremendously scarcer than a Winchester .32-40 carbine.

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