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Henry Mero
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There are a couple pieces on the upcoming Morphy Auctions I would like to get some feedback on. Lot #1296 , mod 1894 ser.#4495 , 1st. model “deluxe”. I like the gun , mainly ’cause I don’t have one, but something is rubbing Me the wrong way and I can’t put My finger on it, any observations would be helpful. Also lot#1349, Mod. 1894 “deluxe” engraved ser#136496. The gun does letter as such but the receiver finish looks to be “restored” or sanded and redone. I have a difficult time discerning the condition from the pictures, again any observations would be appreciated.

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There are a couple pieces on the upcoming Morphy Auctions I would like to get some feedback on. Lot #1296 , mod 1894 ser.#4495 , 1st. model “deluxe”. I like the gun , mainly ’cause I don’t have one, but something is rubbing Me the wrong way and I can’t put My finger on it, any observations would be helpful. Also lot#1349, Mod. 1894 “deluxe” engraved ser#136496. The gun does letter as such but the receiver finish looks to be “restored” or sanded and redone. I have a difficult time discerning the condition from the pictures, again any observations would be appreciated.
  

Henry – 

I had spotted that one.  It certainly is a very desirable first model, “deluxe.”  The set triggers are a nice bonus.  Is there a version of their catalog that has more than one photo?  I only see one photo of each rifle (which is highly unfortunate).  I also notice this happens to be Bob’s rifle.  Maybe message him for more information?  If, as the description says, the receiver has just darkened, the rifle would be very much pursuing.  Particularly given you have a 1st Model Deluxe missing from your collection.

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There are a couple pieces on the upcoming Morphy Auctions I would like to get some feedback on. Lot #1296 , mod 1894 ser.#4495 , 1st. model “deluxe”. I like the gun , mainly ’cause I don’t have one, but something is rubbing Me the wrong way and I can’t put My finger on it, any observations would be helpful. Also lot#1349, Mod. 1894 “deluxe” engraved ser#136496. The gun does letter as such but the receiver finish looks to be “restored” or sanded and redone. I have a difficult time discerning the condition from the pictures, again any observations would be appreciated.
  

Henry – 
I had spotted that one.  It certainly is a very desirable first model, “deluxe.”  The set triggers are a nice bonus.  Is there a version of their catalog that has more than one photo?  I only see one photo of each rifle (which is highly unfortunate).  I also notice this happens to be Bob’s rifle.  Maybe message him for more information?  If, as the description says, the receiver has just darkened, the rifle would be very much pursuing.  Particularly given you have a 1st Model Deluxe missing from your collection.
  

Steve,

Try this – Lot Detail – (A) VERY RARE WINCHESTER MODEL 1894 FIRST MODEL TAKE DOWN 10 O’ CLOCK SCREW DELUXE LEVER ACTION RIFLE. (morphyauctions.com)

There are (11) total pictures.

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Henry,

Lot #1296 First model deluxe 1894, looks to have been re-blued as it appears there is pitting underneath the bluing in some spots. All the screws appear to be buggered. Maybe ask for better more clear pictures.

Lot 1349, is a beauty and was probably used as a promotional gun going back and forth so many times, and delivered to various venues.  The receiver appears to be buffed and re-blued and I don’t think it is Winchester work though. Perhaps one of the previous owners had it done outside of the factory?

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There are a couple pieces on the upcoming Morphy Auctions I would like to get some feedback on. Lot #1296 , mod 1894 ser.#4495 , 1st. model “deluxe”. I like the gun , mainly ’cause I don’t have one, but something is rubbing Me the wrong way and I can’t put My finger on it, any observations would be helpful. Also lot#1349, Mod. 1894 “deluxe” engraved ser#136496. The gun does letter as such but the receiver finish looks to be “restored” or sanded and redone. I have a difficult time discerning the condition from the pictures, again any observations would be appreciated.
  

Henry,

I looked at lot #1296 very carefully and I cannot find anything wrong with it.  The only issue I have is the statement This is the first ever deluxe 10 o’clock screw model 1894 this writer has ever observed.”  I do like the fact that it is a Take Down and it has a set trigger, and that it is a Fancy Sporting Rifle.

Lot# 1349 has been refinished, and I am not of the opinion that it was factory work.

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Henry,
Lot #1296 First model deluxe 1894, looks to have been re-blued as it appears there is pitting underneath the bluing in some spots. All the screws appear to be buggered. Maybe ask for better more clear pictures.
Lot 1349, is a beauty and was probably used as a promotional gun going back and forth so many times, and delivered to various venues.  The receiver appears to be buffed and re-blued and I don’t think it is Winchester work though. Perhaps one of the previous owners had it done outside of the factory?
Al
  

Al,

I believe you got it backwards.  Lot #1296 (the 1st Model Fancy Sporting Rifle) does not appear to have been reblued.  Lot #1349 on the other hand has positively been reblued at least once.

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Henry –

If you go to the Summer Winchester Collector magazine, open it up and the very first page is an ad for Morphy auctions and the 1894 you are looking at is featured with one other rifle.

https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202506/2/

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Steve, I went on Morphy’s site and looked aat the pictures , that’s why I’m asking for opinions. Thank You all for the input. Lots to be considered here.

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Steve, I went on Morphy’s site and looked aat the pictures , that’s why I’m asking for opinions. Thank You all for the input. Lots to be considered here.
  

Yes, I looked at all of Morphy’s pictures as well.  I thought the Morphy ad in the WACA magazine gave the best look at the receiver color.  I like the rifle.  It has a lot going for it.

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Again , being at a disadvantage here, it’ll probably go over My head.

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Henry,
Lot #1296 First model deluxe 1894, looks to have been re-blued as it appears there is pitting underneath the bluing in some spots. All the screws appear to be buggered. Maybe ask for better more clear pictures.
Lot 1349, is a beauty and was probably used as a promotional gun going back and forth so many times, and delivered to various venues.  The receiver appears to be buffed and re-blued and I don’t think it is Winchester work though. Perhaps one of the previous owners had it done outside of the factory?
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Al,
I believe you got it backwards.  Lot #1296 (the 1st Model Fancy Sporting Rifle) does not appear to have been reblued.  Lot #1349 on the other hand has positively been reblued at least once.
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Bert,

Lot #1296. I was referring to the picture of the top of the tang. If you zoom the picture in, it looks like some pitting to me. 

I agree, lot 1349 for sure is reblued.

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tionesta1 said
Henry,
Lot #1296 First model deluxe 1894, looks to have been re-blued as it appears there is pitting underneath the bluing in some spots. All the screws appear to be buggered. Maybe ask for better more clear pictures.
Lot 1349, is a beauty and was probably used as a promotional gun going back and forth so many times, and delivered to various venues.  The receiver appears to be buffed and re-blued and I don’t think it is Winchester work though. Perhaps one of the previous owners had it done outside of the factory?
Al
  

Al,
I believe you got it backwards.  Lot #1296 (the 1st Model Fancy Sporting Rifle) does not appear to have been reblued.  Lot #1349 on the other hand has positively been reblued at least once.
Bert
  

Bert,
Lot #1296. I was referring to the picture of the top of the tang. If you zoom the picture in, it looks like some pitting to me. 
I agree, lot 1349 for sure is reblued.
Al
  

There is some minor pitting… but it does not have bluing in the pits, just old crud & patina.  There are no visible signs that I can see that indicate that it has been reblued.

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