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Another Faked Winchester
March 25, 2019
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When I originally surveyed this SRC, it was located in Australia... it is now here in the U.S. with a freshly marked "L.A.P.D." butt stock.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/76/128/lapd-winchester-1894-lever-action-saddle-ring-carbine

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March 25, 2019
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I would say that is a fresh stamp. You would think they would of rubbed some dirt on it.

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March 25, 2019
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USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc...but who'd pay any significant premium for LAPD?  Not me.

March 25, 2019
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clarence said
USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc...but who'd pay any significant premium for LAPD?  Not me.  

My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.

I've never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.

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March 25, 2019
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I was at the auction when that rifle sold here in 2014. It went for $1,400 AUD. It had the stamp on it then.

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March 25, 2019
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Maverick said

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USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc...but who'd pay any significant premium for LAPD?  Not me.  

My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.

I've never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.

Maverick  

Maverick, these Colt's are well documented.  Each one I have seen has always been in very fine condition and a very low serial number.  Nice guns!!

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Chuck said

Maverick said

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USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc...but who'd pay any significant premium for LAPD?  Not me.  

My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.

I've never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.

Maverick  

Maverick, these Colt's are well documented.  Each one I have seen has always been in very fine condition and a very low serial number.  Nice guns!!  

Here's a Colt Lightning SFPD that just sold this month.  Very nice condition.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/800529248

April 1, 2019
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I was at the auction when that rifle sold here in 2014. It went for $1,400 AUD. It had the stamp on it then.  

So it isn't fake then?

April 1, 2019
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Yes, it is a fake marked Winchester. Did you look at how fresh the "LAPD" stamp is? Why would a purported Los Angeles Police Department property gun have been sold to Australia, and then somehow make it back to the United States? Too many things do not add up.

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April 2, 2019
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Glitch said

So it isn't fake then?  

Glitch, I said I was at the auction and saw it with the stamp on it. I did not mention if I thought it was fake or not.

I assume there is a serial number range of known LAPD marked 94 SRCs?

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April 2, 2019
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Leroy Merz bought a bunch of Australian Model 1892 rifles a couple years ago and has had them listed, though not necessarily identified as from Australia, on his website.

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April 2, 2019
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Aussie Chris said

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So it isn't fake then?  

Glitch, I said I was at the auction and saw it with the stamp on it. I did not mention if I thought it was fake or not.

I assume there is a serial number range of known LAPD marked 94 SRCs?  

No, there is not a "known" serial number range for LAPD marked Model 1894 SRCs. and that is just one of the issues surrounding the subject gun.  Based on its serial number (810914), it was manufactured in the latter part of the year 1915.  There are no known orders for Winchester Model 1894s by the LAPD, and of the 500+ Model 1894s in my research survey for the years 1915 & 1916, just this one is marked "LAPD".  In contrast, I have surveyed (27) of the known (81) SFPD Model 94 Carbines, and (227) of the known (1,800) Model 1894 Spruce Guns.

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April 2, 2019
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Maaaaaaybe..... It is an AUSTRALIAN Police Department!!??   Kiss

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Thanks for the info Bert,  I saw the SFPD letter a member posted not long ago with the 5 marked 94s in the 1931 - 1932 serial number range.

Michael, have you seen the list of the 1892 Western Australian Police carbines?

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Aussie Chris said
Thanks for the info Bert,  I saw the SFPD letter a member posted not long ago with the 5 marked 94s in the 1931 - 1932 serial number range.

Michael, have you seen the list of the 1892 Western Australian Police carbines?

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Chris,

I have not.   I mostly made that comment in jest.  I was waiting for you to fill in the "L".

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April 4, 2019
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Bert H. said
Yes, it is a fake marked Winchester. Did you look at how fresh the "LAPD" stamp is? Why would a purported Los Angeles Police Department property gun have been sold to Australia, and then somehow make it back to the United States? Too many things do not add up.
Bert  

Playing Devil's advocate here; isn't it entirely possibly it was an L.A.P.D. gun that an Australian collector bought at some point and has since been sent back to the States? Why would some guy in Australia add those markings given we know it had them when it was over there?

April 4, 2019
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Why would anyone ever add extra markings to a plain Jane Winchester? Why of course... to sell it for more $$$. Again, examine the markings closely and tell me with a straight face that they have been on that Carbine for more than 100-years !

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Those sure are crisp markings.  It must be my aging eyes - those markings looked raised to me?

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