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When I originally surveyed this SRC, it was located in Australia… it is now here in the U.S. with a freshly marked “L.A.P.D.” butt stock.
Bert
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I would say that is a fresh stamp. You would think they would of rubbed some dirt on it.
Bob
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USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc…but who’d pay any significant premium for LAPD? Not me.
clarence said
USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc…but who’d pay any significant premium for LAPD? Not me.
My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.
I’ve never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.
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I was at the auction when that rifle sold here in 2014. It went for $1,400 AUD. It had the stamp on it then.
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Maverick said
clarence said
USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc…but who’d pay any significant premium for LAPD? Not me.My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.
I’ve never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.
Maverick
Maverick, these Colt’s are well documented. Each one I have seen has always been in very fine condition and a very low serial number. Nice guns!!
Chuck said
Maverick said
clarence said
USMC, RCMP, FBI, Texas Rangers, etc…but who’d pay any significant premium for LAPD? Not me.My dad has a Colt Lightning Rifle that was sold to the San Francisco Police Department. It is legit, and letters to boot. He got it from a friend that owns a pawn shop in town. They had a pair of them, dad wanted the pair, but the store owner sold the other one before he could get to the store to buy it. He bought it in the late 1970s.
I’ve never been much on Colt Rifles, but this one is a beauty.
Maverick
Maverick, these Colt’s are well documented. Each one I have seen has always been in very fine condition and a very low serial number. Nice guns!!
Here’s a Colt Lightning SFPD that just sold this month. Very nice condition.
Aussie Chris said
I was at the auction when that rifle sold here in 2014. It went for $1,400 AUD. It had the stamp on it then.
So it isn’t fake then?
Yes, it is a fake marked Winchester. Did you look at how fresh the “LAPD” stamp is? Why would a purported Los Angeles Police Department property gun have been sold to Australia, and then somehow make it back to the United States? Too many things do not add up.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Glitch said
So it isn’t fake then?
Glitch, I said I was at the auction and saw it with the stamp on it. I did not mention if I thought it was fake or not.
I assume there is a serial number range of known LAPD marked 94 SRCs?
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Leroy Merz bought a bunch of Australian Model 1892 rifles a couple years ago and has had them listed, though not necessarily identified as from Australia, on his website.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Aussie Chris said
Glitch said
So it isn’t fake then?
Glitch, I said I was at the auction and saw it with the stamp on it. I did not mention if I thought it was fake or not.
I assume there is a serial number range of known LAPD marked 94 SRCs?
No, there is not a “known” serial number range for LAPD marked Model 1894 SRCs. and that is just one of the issues surrounding the subject gun. Based on its serial number (810914), it was manufactured in the latter part of the year 1915. There are no known orders for Winchester Model 1894s by the LAPD, and of the 500+ Model 1894s in my research survey for the years 1915 & 1916, just this one is marked “LAPD”. In contrast, I have surveyed (27) of the known (81) SFPD Model 94 Carbines, and (227) of the known (1,800) Model 1894 Spruce Guns.
Bert
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Maaaaaaybe….. It is an AUSTRALIAN Police Department!!?? 
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Thanks for the info Bert, I saw the SFPD letter a member posted not long ago with the 5 marked 94s in the 1931 – 1932 serial number range.
Michael, have you seen the list of the 1892 Western Australian Police carbines?
Chris
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Aussie Chris said
Thanks for the info Bert, I saw the SFPD letter a member posted not long ago with the 5 marked 94s in the 1931 – 1932 serial number range.Michael, have you seen the list of the 1892 Western Australian Police carbines?
Chris
Chris,
I have not. I mostly made that comment in jest. I was waiting for you to fill in the “L”.
Michael
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Bert H. said
Yes, it is a fake marked Winchester. Did you look at how fresh the “LAPD” stamp is? Why would a purported Los Angeles Police Department property gun have been sold to Australia, and then somehow make it back to the United States? Too many things do not add up.
Bert
Playing Devil’s advocate here; isn’t it entirely possibly it was an L.A.P.D. gun that an Australian collector bought at some point and has since been sent back to the States? Why would some guy in Australia add those markings given we know it had them when it was over there?
Why would anyone ever add extra markings to a plain Jane Winchester? Why of course… to sell it for more $$$. Again, examine the markings closely and tell me with a straight face that they have been on that Carbine for more than 100-years !
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Those sure are crisp markings. It must be my aging eyes – those markings looked raised to me?
Here is another one, coincidentally, with that same butt marking. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles—model-1894-pre-64/winchester-model-1894-los-angeles-police-department-issued-saddle-ring-carbine.cfm?gun_id=100688808
I have an LAPD marked 1894, made 1915. The person who sold it to the local gun shop said his father bought it when the LAPD sold the guns many years ago through a southern California gun shop. It is marked LAPD on the right side of the frame. I have found a few others that sold, they were marked the same way. All were in a close serial range in 1915. Some sellers said 1917 because they were using Madis numbers.
I contacted the LAPD historian. He said that all of the 1894s that have been brought to their attention were marked the same way on the right side of the frame, and were made in 1915, with fairly close serial numbers, around early 800,000s. He said the first 1894s bought by LAPD were rifles about 1900. He sent me a picture of those 1900 era officers armed with them. The were marked LAPD on the barrels. They do not have any record of the exact serial numbers of pre-WW2 guns.
wolfbait said
Here is another one, coincidentally, with that same butt marking. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles—model-1894-pre-64/winchester-model-1894-los-angeles-police-department-issued-saddle-ring-carbine.cfm?gun_id=100688808
Another fake, and it is not the “same” butt marking. To start with, it is stamped on the left hand side of the stock, whereas the fake LAPD marked SRC that came out of Australia is stamped on the right hand side of the stock. When you compare the size of the stamped letters and numerals, they appear to be slightly thicker & deeper on the Australian gun.
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