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M1892, "figure 8 re-work"?
January 19, 2014
7:43 am
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I've only collected Winchesters for about 40 years and not being funny, I know that is a drop in the bucket compared to some of you guys 8)

So here is something I have not run into before. It is a Model 1892 that is purportedly a factory rework.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Winchester-M1892-Rifle-in-desirable-44WCF.cfm?gun_id=100378972

The seller's reference to the, "figure 8" around the proofs and his statement, "as you would expect from the factory re-work" has me scratching my head. I've seen rifles rebarreled by Winchester and double-proofed but never this figure 8. So, not something I would expect but would you other guys expect this?

By the way, I really like the Lyman receiver sight on a lever gun. I have this sight on Models 1886, 1894 and 1895 but never on a M1892. I have seen them for sale before (including on a M53) but never connected. I even have one (correct version) on a Savage M1899. I've also seen them on various Marlins and wish I would have connected on one. So, that was the appeal here. This rifle with a minty bore looks like it would be a very fine shooter and hunter.

January 19, 2014
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Steve:

Just my take on this but it looks like the 2 proofs are nearly touching which would give the appearance of a figure eight encompassing the View Proof and the Postal Barrel proofs. In my opinion however, this is not a factory rework as the barrel would simply be a factory replacement and would not have the second proof. The "P" as we know, was applied to replacement barrels sent out to jobbers for field replacement and not used on work done at the factory. The wood also looks to be refinished "in the field".

January 20, 2014
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Steve,

Model 1892 rifle will occasionally be found with the Lyman receiver sight on them but it is not common. I have a couple of them.

The barrel is obviously a late replacement and the proof stamps have been altered. Like Rick, I believe the rifle was highly altered at some time after 1926 when the barrel stamp style came into use. The listing also notes that the rifle originally left the factory as a SRC but the ring is gone and the butt stock is a replacement. Here is a better photo of the proofs.
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January 20, 2014
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Michael:

Thanks for the clarifying photo. I agree. Clearly an alteration and not simply two touching proof marks....................

January 20, 2014
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Why would anyone alter the proof marks? Could the alterations just be tool marks from sloppy work?

January 20, 2014
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Why would anyone alter the proof marks?

Why did the chicken cross the road??? Who knows what goes through the mind of someone when they doe something like this. The work of the original proof stamps is not sloppy as you can clearly see the original outlining ring on each of them. The rifle might make a darn good shooter but not for $2850!!!

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