Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
40-100 Cartridge
Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5215
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
21
October 17, 2024 - 10:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I again wonder why this cartridge is thought to be a 40-100?  “Supposed to be an experimental.”  Again, with no headstamp… is there just a story that goes along with this cartridge?

Avatar
Bert H.
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12991
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
22
October 17, 2024 - 11:47 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

There is a strong similarity with this cartridge as compared to the 50-110 Express (300 gr bullet) versus the 50-100-450. 

As I previously mentioned, the cartridge Chuck asked about is extremely likely to be a 40 EX (40-100) loaded with a heavier bullet and a correspondingly smaller powder charge.  The primary question I have about it is this… what rifle was intended for, followed by was it ever commercially loaded, and finally why was it not marked.  At this point, we do not know if it was even a factory loaded cartridge.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Maverick
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2042
Member Since:
May 23, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
23
October 18, 2024 - 12:18 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

steve004 said
I again wonder why this cartridge is thought to be a 40-100?  “Supposed to be an experimental.”  Again, with no headstamp… is there just a story that goes along with this cartridge?  

Bert H. said
There is a strong similarity with this cartridge as compared to the 50-110 Express (300 gr bullet) versus the 50-100-450. 

As I previously mentioned, the cartridge Chuck asked about is extremely likely to be a 40 EX (40-100) loaded with a heavier bullet and a correspondingly smaller powder charge.  The primary question I have about it is this… what rifle was intended for, followed by was it ever commercially loaded, and finally why was it not marked.  At this point, we do not know if it was even a factory loaded cartridge.

Bert

It’s an unidentified factory made Winchester experimental cartridge; also known with W. R. A. Co. 40-EX. headstamp. See Dan Shuey’s Vol. I WRACo Head Stamp Book p. 55 and Vol. II p. 11. 

If it is in Shuey’s Books you can pretty much take it to the bank that it is what he says it is.

To quote to first sentence of Page 55, “Winchester made hundreds of different experimental and prototype cartridges over the years.”

Shuey states in his books that the purpose is unknown and has unknown for the dates of introduction / use. That’s how rare of a cartridge it is, there is not much known about it. It is likely in Shuey’s book due to having been from the Paul Foster collection. Paul Foster was a WRACo factory employee that saved quite a few of these rare / experimental / prototype factory cartridges. Some of the rarest known Winchester cartridges are from out of his collection.

My guess is that they experimented with it in the Single Shot Rifle. As likely no other firearm would chamber it and the Single Shot was often used for experiments. Otherwise they may have had a special chambered barrel on a bench-type jig for test firing the round.

Sincerely,

Maverick 

Avatar
Bert H.
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12991
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
24
October 18, 2024 - 12:54 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory

Well that helps to explain it.  Based on my survey of the factory ledger records, there were no serialized Single Shot rifles chambered for it in the 1 – 109999 range (through July 5th, 1910).  I therefore suspect that it was purely an experimental cartridge, and Winchester used a standard 40 EX barrel to test it.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Chuck
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5884
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
25
October 18, 2024 - 5:10 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Maverick said

It’s an unidentified factory made Winchester experimental cartridge; also known with W. R. A. Co. 40-EX. headstamp. See Dan Shuey’s Vol. I WRACo Head Stamp Book p. 55 and Vol. II p. 11. 

If it is in Shuey’s Books you can pretty much take it to the bank that it is what he says it is.

To quote to first sentence of Page 55, “Winchester made hundreds of different experimental and prototype cartridges over the years.”

Shuey states in his books that the purpose is unknown and has unknown for the dates of introduction / use. That’s how rare of a cartridge it is, there is not much known about it. It is likely in Shuey’s book due to having been from the Paul Foster collection. Paul Foster was a WRACo factory employee that saved quite a few of these rare / experimental / prototype factory cartridges. Some of the rarest known Winchester cartridges are from out of his collection.

My guess is that they experimented with it in the Single Shot Rifle. As likely no other firearm would chamber it and the Single Shot was often used for experiments. Otherwise they may have had a special chambered barrel on a bench-type jig for test firing the round.

Sincerely,

Maverick 

  

Good find.  I looked through his book several times but did not know about this section.

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online: Mark Douglas, Tedk, Zebulon, Jeremy P
Guest(s) 759
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 6475
Chuck: 5884
steve004: 5215
1873man: 4703
deerhunter: 2713
Big Larry: 2559
twobit: 2505
mrcvs: 2213
Maverick: 2042
Newest Members:
Monk1950
Redcedar7T
KrzHorse
drjjpdc
djwalsh
fzando
WASpalding
WinKorm94
Wallyg703
GunLegacy
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14824
Posts: 132671

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2057
Members: 10057
Moderators: 3
Admins: 4
Administrators: Mike Hager, Bert H., JWA, SethJ
Moderators: Rob Kassab, Brad Dunbar, Heather
Navigation