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     Is a 94′ SRC in 32-40 more “rare”?  Seems like I see more 94′ SRC’s in 38-55 around the turn of the century period.  Thanks for ya’lls reply.  

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Yes, it is less common than any of the other (4) cartridge chamberings offered in the Model 1894. In the early production years (pre turn of the century), the 38-55 was the most common caliber made in the Model 1894. Through the year 1907, the 38-55 outnumbered the 32-40 by 2:1.

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I’m looking at buying a 94′ 32-40 SRC made in 1909.  It seems to me I see more SRC’s in 38-55 and not so many 32-40’s in SRC in this time period.  Are 32-40’s with a saddle ring more rare than 38-55’s with a saddle ring? 

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I’m looking at buying a 94′ 32-40 SRC made in 1909.  It seems to me I see more SRC’s in 38-55 and not so many 32-40’s in SRC in this time period.  Are 32-40’s with a saddle ring more rare than 38-55’s with a saddle ring?   

Yes… as a mentioned in my previous post it this topic.

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I think one of the harder carbines to find are those in 32WS in early production (after the cartridge was introduced of course).  Maybe the surveys may indicate differently.

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I think one of the harder carbines to find are those in 32WS in early production (after the cartridge was introduced of course).  Maybe the surveys may indicate differently.  

Survey for Model 1894 carbines, serial numbers 353999 – 1012753 (1907 – 1927) says;

32-40 = 104

38-55 = 134

25-35 = 179

32 WS = 298 (more than the 32-40 and 38-55 combined).

30 WCF = 1274

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Thanks Bert,

The count on the 32WS carbines is what I would guess, as far as how they shake out between 1907 and 1927.  Im talking about pre 353999 or even 1907-1911/12.  By the mid 550K thru the 600K SN range, and then again toward the end of production they seem to be more of them around for sure.  Not questioning your data, Im sure its spot on.  Just trying to understand if there are certain periods where they were more popular or not.  To be honest, I dont really look for carbines that much–my comments are based merely on an impression given by whats seen out there walking tables or browsing.   Maybe I should pay more attention. 

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Chris,

With the introduction of the 32 WS occurring in late 1901 (announced in the June 1902 catalog), and the first carbine in that cartridge received in the warehouse on 5/10/1902 (serial number 142899) that really does not leave much of a time period to look at.  As with all things that are brand new, the initial production for the 32 WS was most likely a bit slower than the other four calibers/cartridges.  That stated, the production ramped up very quickly in the year 1902, as the ARMAX survey shows that there were 31,052 Model 1894s made in that cartridge from October 1901 through May 1907.  The ratio of “rifles” versus “carbines” in the ARMAX survey was 276,780:75,075 (78.66% versus 21.34%).  If we apply that % to the 31,052 total production, we can estimate that 6,625 carbines were made in 32 WS between May 1902 and May 1907.

My survey shows that the Rifle versus Carbine production ratio remained the same from May 1907 through the end of the year 1912 as it had been in the earlier years.  Production of the Carbine began to ramp up beginning in 1913.  The caliber ratio for the carbines however, remained relatively constant through the 1907 – 1916 time period.  From 1917 through 1927, the 30 WCF and 32 WS numbers went up as the 32-40 and 38-55 rapidly waned. 

One of these days, I will put all of the survey numbers to print in the Collector magazine.  Currently, I have just shy of 20,000 total serial numbers in my survey of serial numbers 354000 through 2600011.  It appears that I might reach 22,000 by the end of the year 2018 which will be just shy of 1% of the total.

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Thats interesting, and thanks for the additional information. 

Bear with me here, my math not so good and Im likely to screw up:  If you consider the number of 1894’s made from the beginning of1902 (SN 137,059 or there bouts) and 353,999 you end up with 216,939 1894’s produced in the 1902-1907 time frame, with 31,050 in 32W per the ARMAX survey.  As a percentage, that represents an estimated 14.32% of production in 32WS.   If we rely on the 21.34% ratio of rifle:carbine (which could be weighted towards carbines in the other calibers due to the later introduction of the 32WS), as you mention, you would anticipate 6,626.5 to be carbines in 32WS.  As a percentage of guns produced in only that time frame (1902-1907, N=216,939), your talking about a little over 3% (3.06%) that could have been carbines in 32WS.   They may stack up differently after 353,999 to about the 550K SN range (approx 1912) but would be surprised if it did.  However, after 1912, as you mention, all bets are off.

Again, I still think that an early SN range carbine in 32 WS is harder to find than some of the others.   

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Obviously the numbers regarding production do not lie. However, I agree with Chris about the 32 Special being hard to find – to take it one step further, the 32 Special SRC is hard to find “with condition”. If you look at the various web sites over time you will see 32 Specials for sale but they have been used hard.

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Nice looking carbine there Burt. 

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