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November 16, 2021 - 9:04 am
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Here is my Winchester 1866 Rifle that my grandfathers father bought from Malta. Its serial number is 100767. There is a special drawing of a Bull and a matador. I really wonder what expers think about it ?

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Mert,

Looks like some good engraving but I don’t know who did it.

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 Some engraved 66’s in that serial number range are marked behind the trigger with a really small stamp. I would like to see pictures of the wood.

 Your serial number is to early to letter with Cody, but a few just over 100,000 do show up. It might be worth a call. Pretty gun. T/R

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Agree with TR. Do you know if it is signed? Are there any small initials, alphabetical stampings anywhere on it? Another place to look would be underneath the buttstock on the lower tang?

That is a nice engraved plated “Musket” you have there! I don’t know who did the engraving, but its well done.

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full nickel plated 66 muskets are rare – according to the Madis book, plated 66’s are rarer than engraved or inscribed guns. I have not previously seen a bull fighting/matador scene engraved on a 66 and a quick look thru some reference books, including R.L Wilson books which have photos of a lot of engraved guns, did not have any photos of similar scenes on a 66. It makes me wonder if the gun was engraved in Spain – because of the subject matter of the engraved scene and the close proximity of Malta to Spain. The gun sure has awesome wood.

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Mert-

I’m no expert but I believe that is the most beautiful 1866 I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing the pics, I’m hoping you will indulge us with a bit of the history of your heirloom.

 

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Hey, 

Thanks very much for your valuable replies. I have found this link which is very similar to mine. So I think

Conrad Ulrich made this but i have not seen any signature of him. The owner of this rifle is a member of parliament in the beginning of Turkish Republic. They closed to parliament and sent them to Malta for prison during 1919-1921. He brought this rifle from Malta when he was coming back to Turkey in 1921. He was my mothers grandfather. I really like to sell this gun in US but there is a legal problem of sending this gun from Turkey to abroad. As far as i searched the only way of sending this gun to US is to sell this gun to US citizen working in US embassy in Turkey. 

 

I will be grateful if you can help me in selling this gun.

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  Mert,

 First of all I have no idea how to get a gun out of Turkey but I do see at the big shows import export people doing just that. Simpson Ltd out of Galesburg IL. used to handle that sort of thing. I’m sure so do the big auction houses.

 Second, to tell if the engraving is factory would require a hands on examination by an expert unless it shows up in some Winchester record.

 Third, Of the three configurations of 1866s the musket is the least desirable, most US collectors consider a 1866 an American West collectable. The musket is a military, sometimes foreign weapon. Don’t get me wrong, it still can be very valuable but the Bull fight scene is not a buffalo.

 If I were in your shoes I would contact the big auction houses, they have probably done this kind of thing before. T/R

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mert uluc said
Hey, 

Thanks very much for your valuable replies. I have found this link which is very similar to mine. So I think

Conrad Ulrich made this but i have not seen any signature of him. The owner of this rifle is a member of parliament in the beginning of Turkish Republic. They closed to parliament and sent them to Malta for prison during 1919-1921. He brought this rifle from Malta when he was coming back to Turkey in 1921. He was my mothers grandfather. I really like to sell this gun in US but there is a legal problem of sending this gun from Turkey to abroad. As far as i searched the only way of sending this gun to US is to sell this gun to US citizen working in US embassy in Turkey. 

 

I will be grateful if you can help me in selling this gun.

Best,

Mert ULUC

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I looked at the engraving on the rifle in your pinterest link above and closely compared it to the engraving on your rifle.  I don’t think the same engraver did both rifles.  I also view this rifle as a beautiful rifle.  If it had come down to me through my family, I would never consider selling it.  Were I looking at purchasing this rifle, and had no additional documentation to assist me, I would go with my opinion – which is it is not factory engraved.  Without documentation (or an expert assessment) each of us is left with our own opinion.  And as I am not an expert, my opinion is only relevant to me.

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