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Sheesh… you guys don’t go to enough gunshows… I finally retired my 2005 Honda Pilot with 506,000 miles this year. Original power train too. Sadly, the transmission started to do unnatural things… 🙂 Replaced it with a 2012 Honda Pilot w/ 128,000 miles on in May… that next weekend it hauled 5 tables worth to Greeley, Co… then in July, Cody…. Reno twice and several other shows in the NW. So far, 28,000 miles logged in the last 6 months.
I have the opposite problem, my 2015 ram Cummins just turned over 70k, but I’ve had a company car to drive for the last 5 years….it’s had a few little issues but been a good truck. I’m hoping it gets me to my first retirement in five more years!
November 7, 2015
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I’ve only had a few vehicles past the 200,000 mile mark. Probably won’t do it anytime soon as a tornado destroyed my previous vehicle weeks after I retired and the replacement is nearly new. Other than a trip to Cody now and then it won’t get driven much. I like looking at old cars and young women but both are more trouble than they’re worth, IMHO.
Mike
I haven’t had many trucks because I drive them until I’m tired of them. Never had one that completely came apart and all had over 200 K miles on them when I sold them. The last one I had for just over 25 years. I’m hoping the 2016 that I have now will be my last.
Jeremy P said
I have the opposite problem, my 2015 ram Cummins just turned over 70k, but I’ve had a company car to drive for the last 5 years….it’s had a few little issues but been a good truck. I’m hoping it gets me to my first retirement in five more years!
If you drive it just a bit more often, it will likely get you all the way through to your second retirement… my old Dodge did!
These pictures are several years old now, but the old truck still looks real good.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Jeremy P said
I have the opposite problem, my 2015 ram Cummins just turned over 70k, but I’ve had a company car to drive for the last 5 years….it’s had a few little issues but been a good truck. I’m hoping it gets me to my first retirement in five more years!
If you drive it just a bit more often, it will likely get you all the way through to your second retirement… my old Dodge did!
These pictures are several years old now, but the old truck still looks real good.
I agree that it SHOULD mechanically, but the electronics aren’t having it. That’s the joy of those older ones I imagine. Unfortunately it ain’t getting any better.
I’d like to go back to something that can run the trails in Colorado’s Western slopes and maybe pull a small trailer every now and then.
We’ll see!
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Jeremy P said
Bert H. said
Jeremy P said
I have the opposite problem, my 2015 ram Cummins just turned over 70k, but I’ve had a company car to drive for the last 5 years….it’s had a few little issues but been a good truck. I’m hoping it gets me to my first retirement in five more years!
If you drive it just a bit more often, it will likely get you all the way through to your second retirement… mine old Dodge did!
These pictures are several years old now, but the old truck still looks real good.
I agree that it SHOULD mechanically, but the electronics aren’t having it. That’s the joy of those older ones I imagine. Unfortunately it ain’t getting any better.
I’d like to go back to something that can run the trails in Colorado’s Western slopes and maybe pull a small trailer every now and then.
We’ll see!
Electronics are actually more robust than today’s emissions systems. Cummins electronics have always been very expensive and there are no inexpensive emissions parts. That’s why a truck like Bert’s is worth taking care of and keeping on the road. I’ve sold more than a few 5.9 injectors and a few injector lines for the mechanical injectors, maybe a water pump now and then and more than a few clutches and flywheels. More than a few of the injectors are due to folks cranking up the fuel pressure or bad fuel and the clutches are attributable to folks who don’t understand physics, or at least their left foot didn’t get the memo. I made a good living for a lot of years off the post-7.3 Powerstrokes and at one time I spoke fluent DuraMax/Isuzu.
Getting back to the OP I’ll never be able to focus on the antiques as that would exclude many of the .22’s I love. It would also exclude the Model 12 and the Model 70. I enjoy having Antiques, Pre-War and Post-War examples as that best tells the story of Winchester, IMHO.
Mike
37+ years ago I owned part of an auto parts and paint store, things were a lot different back then for sure. I also mechanic’d back in the day. My old 2007 F150 King Ranch, all I can tell you is it had the “big V-8 engine” that one that wasn’t supposed to last, the one with the cam phasers. All I ever did to it was replace plugs and coils. I did replace some electronic sensors trying to figure out a rough low speed issue, but they were all not the problem. I did eventually find the issue and it still runs like a champ at nearly 360000 miles on it.
Back to the OP 
I do like vintage Winchesters; but I have to admit, I like some of the new stuff too. My “go to” deer slayer is a 2013 Model 70 Featherweight. I have some newer Winchester shotguns, but I don’t really use them much, my “go to” Clay gun is one of them Italian gizmo’s.
Dan
JWA said
Bert H. said
With just 393,000 miles on it, my “old Dodge” Cummins is a long way from being “wore-out”. I drove it home from the dealership exactly 20-years ago tomorrow afternoon.
Well, I guess my “old” 2007 truck isn’t so old after all, mine just turned 18 and only has 200,000 on the 6.7 Cummins and is just starting to get broken in and the fuel economy keeps increasing with age!
Out here in the desert we don’t have to worry about rust but the sun bakes the paint right off the metal. On it’s 18th birthday I treated it to a new paint job and tires and it will be good to go another 18 years (or longer).
LOVE that truck!
That sun is brutal the hood and cab top on mine looked horrendous with the clear coat gone. I just got mine repainted as well (although its a bit dirty in the pic from driving through the pasture), and had all the dents pulled. Coming up on its 26th B-day in March, with right at 540,000 miles. I bought this used in 2000 with 32K miles on it for $25.5K. I saw two identical 1999 F250 4×4’s 7.3L Diesel’s sell about 8 months ago with less than 40K miles go for $37 & $39K (cant be all inflation could it?). This is my 3rd 7.3 diesel truck since 1989 with all three having a combined 1.5MM+ miles. When it dies will either throw another engine in it or just find another like it 1999-2002.
RE the OP, I havent bought a modern scoped hunting rifle since I was a kid in the early 80’s. Havent had the need for something newer, the couple I have get the job done.
CH
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1892takedown said
JWA said
Bert H. said
With just 393,000 miles on it, my “old Dodge” Cummins is a long way from being “wore-out”. I drove it home from the dealership exactly 20-years ago tomorrow afternoon.
Well, I guess my “old” 2007 truck isn’t so old after all, mine just turned 18 and only has 200,000 on the 6.7 Cummins and is just starting to get broken in and the fuel economy keeps increasing with age!
Out here in the desert we don’t have to worry about rust but the sun bakes the paint right off the metal. On it’s 18th birthday I treated it to a new paint job and tires and it will be good to go another 18 years (or longer).
LOVE that truck!
That sun is brutal the hood and cab top on mine looked horrendous with the clear coat gone. I just got mine repainted as well (although its a bit dirty in the pic from driving through the pasture), and had all the dents pulled. Coming up on its 26th B-day in March, with right at 540,000 miles. I bought this used in 2000 with 32K miles on it for $25.5K. I saw two identical 1999 F250 4×4’s 7.3L Diesel’s sell about 8 months ago with less than 40K miles go for $37 & $39K (cant be all inflation could it?). This is my 3rd 7.3 diesel truck since 1989 with all three having a combined 1.5MM+ miles. When it dies will either throw another engine in it or just find another like it 1999-2002.
RE the OP, I havent bought a modern scoped hunting rifle since I was a kid in the early 80’s. Havent had the need for something newer, the couple I have get the job done.
CH
Chris,
The old 7.3 Power Stroke was/is arguably one of the best diesel engine ever put in a pickup truck. The only knock I have against it was its fuel efficiency could not match that of the 5.9 Cummins.
Bert
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Bert H. said
Chris,
The old 7.3 Power Stroke was/is arguably one of the best diesel engines ever put in a pickup truck. The only knock I have against it was its fuel efficiency could not match that of the 5.9 Cummins.
Bert
Bert, I totally agree on the mileage, the older Dodge’s get better mileage from what I hear. Im getting a little under 14 mpg but Im also running 35″ tires (never had my speedometer calibrated to my tires), just have to remember Im going 10% faster than what the speedometer is showing. The 7.3 Power Strokes are good for 14-16 mpg, maybe better if you have a tail wind and its about 40-50 degrees driving through mountain air. I prefer these older Dodge and Ford’s to the new stuff. New trucks cost way more than they are worth and have tons of electronics, cameras, sensors, etc. that I really dont care for or need. Just something else to break and leave you stranded on the road. Keep it simple.
Chris
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
1892takedown said
Bert H. said
Chris,
The old 7.3 Power Stroke was/is arguably one of the best diesel engines ever put in a pickup truck. The only knock I have against it was its fuel efficiency could not match that of the 5.9 Cummins.
Bert
Bert, I totally agree on the mileage, the older Dodge’s get better mileage from what I hear. Im getting a little under 14 mpg but Im also running 35″ tires (never had my speedometer calibrated to my tires), just have to remember Im going 10% faster than what the speedometer is showing. The 7.3 Power Strokes are good for 14-16 mpg, maybe better if you have a tail wind and its about 40-50 degrees driving through mountain air. I prefer these older Dodge and Ford’s to the new stuff. New trucks cost way more than they are worth and have tons of electronics, cameras, sensors, etc. that I really dont care for or need. Just something else to break and leave you stranded on the road. Keep it simple.
Chris
I am still getting an average of 19 mpg with my old (2005) Dodge 3500 4×4. Like you, I have the 35″ tires mounted on it. Out on the freeway, and @ 72 mph I get just a tad over 22 mpg. When I ordered the truck, I requested the 3.73 differentials versus the standard 4.10, and I also ordered it with the 6-speed manual (NV 5600) transmission. After I had it well broken in (90K miles), I did a muffler delete (went to a 4″ straight pipe) and pulled the air restrictor out of the front end of the turbocharger. It makes an honest 350 HP and 700 ft lb of torque. Like you, there is nothing better than the pre-2008 Dodges and the slightly older Fords (with the 7.3 P.S.). Ford made a huge mistake when they dropped the 7.3 for the 6.0 diesel engine.
Bert
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The old 6.9 and early 7.3 were what light duty diesels should have been; simple and durable. Unfortunately the 7.3 had no chance of meeting US emission standards. The new engines are very powerful thanks to the newer technology but the emissions take a big chunk out of that. The B- model Cummins was able to adapt to emissions requirements and deliver decent fuel mileage. The emissions systems parts had supply chain and other issues a few years back but that has improved.
Mike
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