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I would like to find a real nice box of antique Winchester 22 LR. While updating my inventory I realized that I don’t have this box.
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Chuck, I’m assuming that you’re looking for the Early Green Box in L. R. as you state.
I’m thinking the, pre-1906 issue, and 1906 issue, L.R. Black Powder. I think they had 50 to a box.
Antonio
Antonio said
Chuck, I’m assuming that you’re looking for the Early Green Box in L. R. as you state.I’m thinking the, pre-1906 issue, and 1906 issue, L.R. Black Powder. I think they had 50 to a box.
Antonio
According to Rains book the long rifle ammo first appeared in the Win 1890 catalogs. Yes, pre 1906, green top with black printing, orange side label. These are black powder loads. In 1906 the boxes may look the same but have codes on the top and sides labels. Unlike other 22 boxes these boxes do not have a picture of a bullet.
I do have an extra 22 short box that I could trade. It is the 2rd variation where the Patent date is Oct 31, not Oct 24 and says Rifle Cartridges.
Chuck,
Under the .22 Long Rifle in large black print, did it say, “RIM FIRE CARTRIDGES” ?
Antonio
Third version on did say that. But not always in the same spot. The first 2 boxes say With Swaged Bullets instead. Rim Fire in the top right corner.
I think those early black powder rounds we’re copper cased shells instead of brass?
Antonio
Not sure of that? Most of my old boxes are sealed. I will see if Rains says anything about this. When I had my 1890 collection I wanted each of the calibers and the long rifle was the last to buy and I guess I never got around to buying an early box.
I looked at Rains book and the earliest 22 cases were copper but not so by the time the long rifle was produced by Winchester. Early Military brass was copper and would swell up and not want to come out of the chamber. The Military quit using copper very early on.
S&W who had the Rollin White Patent was loading 22 ammo long before anyone else. Some of the first Winchester ammo was loaded for the S&W pistols. Mr White lost his fight to extend his Patent so about 1871/73 you see all of the center fire rifles and pistols other than the S&W’s come out.
Chuck,
I looked and I don’t have that box either. I do have a few of the more common .22 short boxes, with the word, “short”,in the cartridge picture, as Rains book states,like you do.
Pretty hard to find I’m thinking. Especially in any kind of nice condition. Even though the L. R. came out about 6 years after the UMC, L. R. boxes came out.
Unlike the 100 cartridge short box, it looks like the L. R. only came out in the 50 cartridge box, as the side label had the, “1/2′, on it!
Antonio
Chuck,
I was at the small Cartridge show in Canton, Ohio Friday, and nothing for you there. I did pick up a couple early .22 boxes but nothing like you’re looking for.
Antonio
Chuck, according to you’re information, as I understand it, on page #109 of Richard L.Rains Book, on Winchester Two Piece .22 boxes. This being the earliest .22 Long Rifle Box, is pretty hard to find, as you’re already well aware of, I’m sure.
Page 111, in Rains book, is the earliest Long Rifle Box I’ve found.
Even though not in pristine, or Mint condition, it shows a good example of a Pre-1906, .22 L. R. cartridge box, and in the early Black Powder, the way Rains explains it.
I don’t know why the second last pic came out sideways, as it was straight like the others, when I posted it!
Anthony
I recently piked up this empty box. It needs some help but I only had to pay $27.
Yes, it is the 4th box made in 22 LR. Pre 1906 with black powder load. Same rarity factor as the first 3. Eventually I will fix this the best I can but I’m too busy to do it any time soon. It came with a handful of 22 LR and 22 shorts.
Check out 5 star auctions, I think there’s a couple of them green boxes on there.
W.A.C.A. life member, Marlin Collectors Assn. charter and life member, C,S.S.A. member and general gun nut.
Thanks for the heads up Henry, as we never know, where one might pop up. I’ve been perusing the 5 star auctions along with other auction site’s, naturally like many, and I haven’t seen any of the early Black Powder, pre-1906 green label boxes. Several other green boxes show up, but not the earlier ones. Yeah it’s possibly I missed one, from time to time, as we know it happens. It’s part of the hobby, to take the time and watch auctions, and sales, and view what might come available. 
Anthony
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