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April 9, 2025
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Folks: I have a Winchester 1892 Case Colored, 25/20 caliber, 24” Octagon barrel, Made in 1910 with factory letter. Barrel retains 90% + or – original factory bluing. Stock is in excellent shape. Barrel is bright and shiny, great rifling,. Case colored by experts. You have to hold it to really appreciate it. I’ll sell it to one of our members for $4200.00. I just listed it on GI for $5200.00. Call me at 541-726-0187. Bill
April 9, 2025
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April 15, 2005
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Bill,
Just an observation for you to consider… your Model 1892 rifle most definitely does not retain “90% + or – original factory bluing“. The refinished (case colored) receiver frame retains 0% of its original factory bluing. While it is highly likely that the hammer, lever, and the butt plate were originally case color finished, they also now retain 0% of their factory original finish due to being refinished. What you have is an incorrectly refinished/restored rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
April 9, 2025
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I amended the add to clarify the bluing aspect. The rest of the add speakers for itself. I hope this sets you somewhat at ease? I have a lot of money into this gun, I am not giving it away. It has a good home.
May 14, 2025
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Bert H. said
Bill,
Just an observation for you to consider… your Model 1892 rifle most definitely does not retain “90% + or – original factory bluing”. The refinished (case colored) receiver frame retains 0% of its original factory bluing. While it is highly likely that the hammer, lever, and the butt plate were originally case color finished, they also now retain 0% of their factory original finish due to being refinished. What you have is an incorrectly refinished/restored rifle.
Bert
Bert for my own education do you mean it simply should not have been refinished/ restored at all or what was done was done incorrectly? Just trying to learn as it looks very pleasing to the eye. Thanks
March 31, 2009
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Buck1967 said
Bert H. said
Bill,
Just an observation for you to consider… your Model 1892 rifle most definitely does not retain “90% + or – original factory bluing”. The refinished (case colored) receiver frame retains 0% of its original factory bluing. While it is highly likely that the hammer, lever, and the butt plate were originally case color finished, they also now retain 0% of their factory original finish due to being refinished. What you have is an incorrectly refinished/restored rifle.
Bert
Bert for my own education do you mean it simply should not have been refinished/ restored at all or what was done was done incorrectly? Just trying to learn as it looks very pleasing to the eye. Thanks
I agree with Bert. This rifle has been restored and not by an expert. The case colors aren’t right and the wood no longer fits the metal. This is an example of a rifle that most likely will sell for less than the restoration costs. But if you like it buy it.
December 9, 2002
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I’m not afraid to step over the line on this one and be extremely Honest!
That is not only not original as other well known members have stated but it’s UGLY!!! IMHO!
I’ve been know to tell it the way that I see it, and I’m too old to change that now!
Tony
November 28, 2025
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That is a $1500 92 at best.
April 15, 2005
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Buck1967 said
Bert H. said
Bill,
Just an observation for you to consider… your Model 1892 rifle most definitely does not retain “90% + or – original factory bluing”. The refinished (case colored) receiver frame retains 0% of its original factory bluing. While it is highly likely that the hammer, lever, and the butt plate were originally case color finished, they also now retain 0% of their factory original finish due to being refinished. What you have is an incorrectly refinished/restored rifle.
Bert
Bert for my own education do you mean it simply should not have been refinished/ restored at all or what was done was done incorrectly? Just trying to learn as it looks very pleasing to the eye. Thanks
What was done was done incorrectly… it should not be case color finished.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
March 20, 2009
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Here is the rifle when it was sold on Gunbroker during August of 2025 by LS&G in Cody, WY for $1100.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
May 14, 2025
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twobit said
Here is the rifle when it was sold on Gunbroker during August of 2025 by LS&G in Cody, WY for $1100.
Michael
Thanks Michael! I know it could be the light in the 2 different listing pics but is the wood even the same? Seems like a darker stain in the new pics and when I look at the new pics of the tang vs the originals it goes from a very tight fit to a loose fit with gaps? This post has been very educational and am appreciative of the knowledge being shared! Just my opinion but I think the original poster (Commissioners) motives here were pure. It wasn’t that long ago, Bert and some of you were kind enough to share with me “Why” restoring a Winchester is a bad idea and should only be considered in a couple unique circumstances. Prior to that, I honestly thought restoring a Winchester would be a cool thing to do. I now know that is beyond stupid but most importantly I know “why” because you guys took your time to educate me! Appreciate everyone and apologize for my annoying questions.
March 20, 2009
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Buck1967 said
Thanks Michael! I know it could be the light in the 2 different listing pics but is the wood even the same? Seems like a darker stain in the new pics and when I look at the new pics of the tang vs the originals it goes from a very tight fit to a loose fit with gaps? This post has been very educational and am appreciative of the knowledge being shared! Just my opinion but I think the original poster (Commissioners) motives here were pure. It wasn’t that long ago, Bert and some of you were kind enough to share with me “Why” restoring a Winchester is a bad idea and should only be considered in a couple unique circumstances. Prior to that, I honestly thought restoring a Winchester would be a cool thing to do. I now know that is beyond stupid but most importantly I know “why” because you guys took your time to educate me! Appreciate everyone and apologize for my annoying questions.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the wood has not been cleaned up a bit after the sale at Cody. A rifle should have the same amount of wear on all of its surfaces if it is original. Just think of how weird it would look for an old rusted and beat up old rifle would look if it had pristine and un scratched wood on it. So in this case the opposite would be true also. The original barrel was in pretty good shape so when the receiver was refinished the wood had to “catch up” to the now overall unmarked condition of the metal. Hence the need to be sanded and refinished so that it did not look obviously out of place.
Thanks for your kind words. I am always happy to help.
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 9, 2002
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Michael,
You really brought this rifle to it’s true demise, and by that I mean you brought it out into the light, of what was truly done to it, making it easier to tell, that the top tang shows the wood to metal fit, was interrupted, by being sanded and the fit was ruined. Amongst the other things that were pointed out and brought to our attention by the members.
The case colors having a muted look to them that is clearly not right. Makes me wonder if the 92 receiver works properly, as it’s an Art form to Block it properly to stop the heat from expanding and preventing the action to work smoothly as designed. Hence, a lot of grinding and filing is needed to fit it properly, but they never seem to operate as smooth as original again. IMHO!
This is another good example of not checking here first, and buying online before verifying.
To me, I liked the rifle the way it was, as being used and all correct!
Now the rifle is listed on G.I. and nothing is said about being refinished or the receiver being Case Colored, when it should be a Blued receiver!
This rifle is being mi-represented as the owner has clearly been shown the error in his purchase.
It’s sad when politicians enter our hobby, and don’t heed the advice from the knowledgeable collectors who have put their time in, and have tried to help others to educate, and teach, for the sole purpose of expanding a great hobby, that some try to ruin, by greed!
Anthony
December 12, 2019
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Note that the description on GI says ‘all original parts’.
Starting to reach a point where we all need attorneys to read the descriptions before we bid.
Paul
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
October 14, 2024
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Such a shame that the rifle ended up the way that it is now.
November 2, 2009
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What? Commissioner is speechless.
March 20, 2009
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win4575 said
What? Commissioner is speechless.
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 9, 2008
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Wow! It was a respectable 92 before rehab, I wouldn’t want it at the GB price now
May 2, 2009
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If you buy duded up guns beyond retail you have to be happy living with them, just don’t get disappointed when you can’t get your money out of them. You would have to sit on them a long time to get some of it back or find another like minded buyer.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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June 1, 2023
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I suspect that others here have noticed what I have noticed, and that is there exists a surprisingly large market for guns that have been re-finished, restored, or upgraded. Some number of buyers seem quite willing to pay a pretty penny for such guns. So while the purist collector may not desire such a rifle, there are still people out there who do. How many times has the lament been raised here about a gun at auction, obviously not original (and sometimes acknowledged as such in the auction description) that has sold for a much higher amount than seemed reasonable here at WACA ? I have lost count of such instances. All of which is to say that there is indeed a market for rifles such as the OP shows above. It may not appeal to thee or me, but someone out there does buy these rifles.
BRP
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