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SN #4 Model 1892?? Maybe not!
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January 30, 2022 - 1:46 pm
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Good morning,

While it is true that several of the earliest Model 1892’s rifles were quickly returned to the factory for a swap to round barrels there is nothing in the ledgers that confirms a switch over to a carbine configuration.  Additionally, the barrel address is not correct for an early round barrel or carbine barrel for a Model 1892.  The earliest carbines used Model 1873 barrels with a different front sight.  Also the butt plate is not correct for an early carbine.  There may be a 4 on the bottom of the receiver but I do not think that this is THE number 4 which was manufactured. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1892/extremely-early-winchester-model-1892-carbine-44-wcf.cfm?gun_id=101840587

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Factory converted to a carbine because the ledger says it was returned to swap the octagon barrel for a round barrel (with length of the round barrel not specified).  From this, we are to believe it was converted at the factory to a carbine?  Add in the date range of the parts don’t add up…. indeed Michael… in fact, I would say, “I think not!”

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steve004 said
Factory converted to a carbine because the ledger says it was returned to swap the octagon barrel for a round barrel (with length of the round barrel not specified).  From this, we are to believe it was converted at the factory to a carbine?  Add in the date range of the parts don’t add up…. indeed Michael… in fact, I would say, “I think not!”  

I totally agree Steve.  WAY too many things do not add up to then spend $22,500 on a rifle which does not “letter” and happens to still have a 4 in the serial number position.  It’s too simple to remove several digits fro ma SN and all of a sudden you have a VERY early gun that could be worth  A LOT of money.  As others always point out.  Buy the gun NOT the story!

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Based on my experience of reading a lot of museum letters, if Winchester converted a rifle to a carbine, there IS the word, “carbine” in the ledger.  Now maybe, there are examples where they’ve done this on an “R&R” and don’t specify what was done, but they would not take an octagon barrel off a rifle, make all the changes necessary to convert it to a carbine, and then simply indicated they had changed the rifle to a round barrel!

The other interesting thing here is there really is no, “story.” Rather, just a fantastical interpretation of what the letter says, tied to the assemblage of parts that are now combined together.  

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Looks like an honest gun to me, as far as I can see from the pics. Serial number, current conformation and R&R description don’t make sense. I like low serial numbers but I think the price would be a bit out of line for a gun with no credibility issues. I would have liked to see the letter but not sure it would make much difference. 

 

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I noticed the #4 is off to the left of center, the 3 single digit Winchesters I’ve seen the ser# was on center. However I’m sure Leroy will guarantee it originalWink

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Henry Mero said
I noticed the #4 is off to the left of center, the 3 single digit Winchesters I’ve seen the ser# was on center. However I’m sure Leroy will guarantee it originalWink  

I also noticed the #4 was off center but hadn’t seen enough single digit Winchesters to comment.

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Henry Mero said
I noticed the #4 is off to the left of center, the 3 single digit Winchesters I’ve seen the ser# was on center. However I’m sure Leroy will guarantee it originalWink  

Winchester did a nice job of keeping serial numbers centered, regardless of the number of digits. I have always tried to abstain from making negative comments about other’s guns, but, come on guys, this gun has been screwed with so bad! It is sad that everyday collectors are tucking away guns that are not right.

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Burt Humphrey said

Winchester did a nice job of keeping serial numbers centered, regardless of the number of digits. I have always tried to abstain from making negative comments about other’s guns, but, come on guys, this gun has been screwed with so bad! It is sad that everyday collectors are tucking away guns that are not right.

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Here is the image of the #4 SN with the brightness of the shadows increased so that a better idea of just how that digit is positioned can be seen.

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