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I am selling My prized 1894 1 of 1. It is advertised on Guns International #101644622. I am offering priority and a 10% discount to any W.A.C.A. member.

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I have to admit I’m not a big fan of refinished Winchesters but that one is beautiful and RARE.  Nobody else has one, that’s for sure.  One has to wonder though what it looked like prior to restoration.  I wonder if Turnbull has pre-restoration pics?  Would be interesting to see.

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I’m  not  sure  what  I’m looking at.  One side shows case color and the other side shows blued finish.

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He’s got another  gun mixed in there.

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There, all better

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Henry,

Is this your listing on Gunbroker?  Or is something fishy going on?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899616773

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Looks like a scammer to me. “Payment by bank transfer”.  Look at the other items from this seller.  None of the photos have the same backdrop.  Looks to me like all photos were stolen and posted on Gunbroker.  I smell a rat…

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definite scam!

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Looks like a scammer to me. “Payment by bank transfer”.  Look at the other items from this seller.  None of the photos have the same backdrop.  Looks to me like all photos were stolen and posted on Gunbroker.  I smell a rat…  

Yet he has a 26 A+ rating!  Maybe a way to fake that, too.  But if it’s a fraud, why start with so high a price?  Smarter to start low, take whatever it brings, then skedaddle.

If it’s Henry’s gun he should take the Buy Now, then see what happens!  Might be fun!

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So the gunbroker 1894 is Henry’s rifle and a scammer lifted the photos?  I would think gunbroker would like to know about this.  I would hope.  The bank transfer is a real tip off.  One would assume the other items he has listed are also photos and descriptions he’s stolen from elsewhere.  What I sure don’t understand is the feedback the seller has received – both as a seller and a buyer.  It’s not all recent – goes back to 2007.  Yet, this appears to be major scamming… all I can think of is someone highjacked this guy’s gunbroker account.

 

Edit:  the gunbroker seller has some seller feedback as recent as April of this year.  The auctions connected that feedback list his location as Hewitt, Texas.  The auction with Henry’s rifle, the seller lists his location as Denver, Colorado.

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deerhunter said
I have to admit I’m not a big fan of refinished Winchesters but that one is beautiful and RARE.  Nobody else has one, that’s for sure.  One has to wonder though what it looked like prior to restoration.  I wonder if Turnbull has pre-restoration pics?  Would be interesting to see.

Don  

For me, pre-restoration photos or solid information on the rifle’s status prior to restoration would be very important.  I’d need to know how much of the original rifle is still there.  New wood?  Newly fabricated barrel?  I know these type changes are common with many Turnbull restorations.  To each his own.  I just know what is important to me.

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On the topic of heavy barreled Winchesters, ever since I purchased Madis’ Winchester Handbook, I’ve wondered about the extra heavy barreled M1894 rifle pictured on page 141.  It is a full octagon with full magazine and a crescent butt.  Interestingly enough, it is also fit with a saddle ring.  It looks like this rifle originally went to Mexico.  Anyone ever had a connection to this rifle other than the photo in George’s book?

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For me, pre-restoration photos or solid information on the rifle’s status prior to restoration would be very important.  I’d need to know how much of the original rifle is still there.  New wood?  Newly fabricated barrel?  I know these type changes are common with many Turnbull restorations.  To each his own.  I just know what is important to me.  

I agree with you 100%. I’ve seen a few instances of ultra rare guns that were created/assembled from the ground up to match a letter.  For instance, look at the faked/duplicated 1873 One of One Thousands.  Pre-restoration photos/documentation would be a must-have if I were in this market.

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steve004 said

 New wood?   

Obviously.  Most of these restorations “upgrade” to super fancy wood, but surprisingly this one didn’t, maybe to match the letter. 

The caliber marking on the brl does not look right either. 

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 New wood?   

Obviously.  Most of these restorations “upgrade” to super fancy wood, but surprisingly this one didn’t, maybe to match the letter. 

The caliber marking on the brl does not look right either.   

I don’t want to be negative about Henry’s rifle.  It is an extremely rare and striking piece.  He states it is a Turnbull restoration and as such, that can mean various things – such as new barrel and wood.  If it’s Turnbull, I don’t think it means donor receiver too, but usually the serial number has to be restamped.  These details would be very important to me.  

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The Gunbroker scammer knocked the price down now.  Starting bid is now $10,000, or buy it now for $11,599.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899794214

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The Gunbroker scammer knocked the price down now.  Starting bid is now $10,000, or buy it now for $11,599.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899794214  

Quite the bargain for that rifle.  Henry – have you contacted gunbroker to point out the fraud?  If it were my rifle, I’d be plenty steamed.

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What surprises me is that Henry hasn’t chimed in on this to say whats going on.

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I just got on the forum , Jeezus what some people won’t do. Yes I contacted Gun Broker with a fraud alert and no I wouldn’t sell it for $11599.00 and as far as I know, after talking to Doug Turnbull  this gun was a restoration not a replacement or an enhancment. It is a beautiful piece, My opinion only, done right and very unique. Of one thing I am certain is,that no one else has one. I also have a .86 s.r.c. that was restored by Doug’s father a long time ago and it would now pass as original but I know what it is and I am happy with it also. I’ve had “re-finished” guns , “enhanced” guns , “restored”  and mint original guns and yes there is a huge difference, also in price, value and desirability. If it ‘s not mint original then a properly restored gun is next best, again , My opinion only. If this particular gun was mint original one can imagine the price tag, rest assured it would be More than $45,000.00, probably put  a 1 in front of the $45. I would love to have all My guns “mint”, original but I just don’t have enough Millions of dollars so I settle for what pleases Me , not necessarilly everyone else

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Henry Mero said
I just got on the forum , Jeezus what some people won’t do. Yes I contacted Gun Broker with a fraud alert…

Still think you should have taken the Buy Now, then strung the crook along as long as possible by making up excuses for not sending payment, like sick with Wuhan, car broke down, “it’s in the mail,” etc.

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