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- How would one go about determining if a No.21 is original if the rifle is outside the letter-able range? It appears to have been produced around 1910, by the SNA info in the back of the newest bluebook. I have looked at many photos of these sights installed and there seems to be a degree of variance in the exact mounting position. When compared to an illustration found in Renneberg’s book this one seems to be mounted further forward. It also has a flip up sight mounted in the rear sight slot. Unfortunately I do not have a photo of the front sight available.
Only own one 1894, but it's a good one.
The sight you are asking about is a Lyman No. 21 versus a No. 1 (the No. 1 is a tang mounted sight). The sight in the barrel slot is one of the Lyman No. 6 variations. Winchester installed in the exact same location when done in the factory. What is the application code on the back (hidden) side of the sight ?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Can’t tell from photo, but if the aperture is adjustable for windage, it’s a #38.
Johnnie, Most Lyman 21’s that I believe are original to the gun had sighting marks on the elevation scale. Brass dots, maybe signifying 100 and 200yds? The guns also had real blue in the mounting holes in the receiver. T/R
Bert,
Thanks for the correction. I was thinking 21 as I typed but for, what ever reason, actually typed 1. I have corrected the title and first post to correspond. I have only seen the rifle is photos at this point and will have to ask about the code. Is this something that the owner will need to remove the sight to view?
Clarence,
After looking at the below photo I believe you are correct. I did not know there were different types of this style of sight, still have a lot to learn.
TR,
I will have to ask the owner if they will be willing to remove a screw to check for bluing in the threads. I had actually heard of doing this before but had escaped my mind until you mentioned it.
What I do know as of this moment it the rifle is chambered in 32 w.s., 26″ round barrel, full magazine, crescent butt and has a plain standard stock.
Only own one 1894, but it's a good one.
January 26, 2011
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Johnnie
It does look like a No. 38 sight. Also, you don’t have to remove the sight to see the application code. Just lift it to the highest position and it should be visible on the back of the sight. I think it should be a “DA” for that rifle. Besides what the others have mentioned, you might look at the barrel just behind the Lyman #6 leaf sight to see if it has any wear marks. If there’s no sign of wear from a standard sight elevator, and the #6 appears to be the only sight that’s been there, this also give some credit to the 38 being original. It seems like that was a frequently used combination.
~Gary~
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