January 20, 2023
OfflineRidge, The Savage 99EG is the sleekest and best looking American centerfire repeater ever devised. I have a high condition 1954 .300 specimen in transit.
The safety is manageable but not as handy as the gunsmith-installed tang safeties that were available for these hammerless guns.
A handloaded 300 Savage 180 grain Nosler Partition , well-placed, is good for anything up to a Brontosaurus, and a big one at that.
Bill
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
January 20, 2023
OfflineRidge, I concur. Happily, because I like cast lead and rough bores don’t, the line of re-issued Winchester 73 models manufactured by Miroku for Browning are like the Browning labeled 1886, 1895, and 1892 guns made by Miroku from 1986 to about 1991, in two respects. First, they don’t have any safety other than the original half-cock position of the hammer. Second, the hammer doesn’t rebound. ( Although rebounding hammers bother some folks more than me.)
Bottom line, my Model 73 Sporting Rifle 44 WCF and a carbine 357/38 are mechanically, cosmetically, and functionally identical to the original 3rd model 1873. And will shoot cast lead all day without a build-up.
While we of the Southland aren’t troubled by over-intrusive State government, if anyone else should need a non-evil-appearing Urban Assault Rifle that can do business as required, my Model 73 will shuck and shoot twelve high velocity +P 38 Special 150 grain semi-wadcutters from its 20″ barrel at well over 1200 fs mv. Additional rounds can be fed into the gate without interfering with readiness. Post-engagement photo ops will not offend an average Grand Jury.
Bill
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
April 3, 2018
OfflineWell-said, Bill:
The only “black rifle” I own is a pre-63 Winchester Model 70 in 270 WCF with a black Mc Millan stock. It also came with a 22 in Shilen barrel and is now my dedicated mountain rifle for sheep, antelope in bad weather, or mountain grizzlies.
I am fond of early Model 70s, though the 1886 and pre-war Model 71s occupy much secure space in my arms room. I like Model 70s from 270 WCF through 338-06, 35 Whelen as customs up to 338 WM to 375 H&H.
Make preparations in advance. T. Roosevelt was right all along, and carried 1886 rifles like Ben Lilly, but in a different caliber. He probably also paid a tad more for his half-magazine special order 86 than Lilly did for his full magazine rifle in 33 WCF. But Lilly killed bears in the US and Mexico with his 33 WCF 1886, so it must have been effective. I trim 210 Nosler Partition bullets for mine. They work on deer and bear.
Keep your nose into the wind, and eyes along the skyline.
Ridge
January 20, 2023
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You just mentioned Ben Lilly and TR in the same sentence. Did you know TR met Lilly while on a hunt in the Louisiana swamps? Roosevelt was the guest of the McIlhenny family on their plantation and wrote about it in a story published in a sporting anthology, titled something like Tales of Woods and Waters. He describes Lilly as an almost superhuman old man, impervious to discomfort and able to withstand almost any weather without shelter.
I know you wrote about Lilly extensively but thought Id mention it on the offchance the story slipped by.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 19, 2006
OfflineI love reading about Ben Lilly and of course there is his attachment to the .33 WCF. And yes, he used a Winchester .33 rifle and not a Marlin .33 rifle.
On the topic of the, “Marlin Combinations Receiver Sight” (i.e. the L.L. Hepburn sight), I was interested in Brophy’s comment in his Marlins Firearms book:
“When testing this sight, I found the peep and vertical adjustments quick and easy to use, but the open sight notch was found to be too close to the eye for accurate use, and was worthless.”
My experience with shooting rifles with this sight basically matches Brophy’s experience. It is easy to flip the leaf from peep to the large U – but as the large U is in fact essentially worthless – why would you?
November 19, 2006
OfflineWhile we’re on the topic of the top mounted receiver sight, an interesting sight is the, “Porter Pop-Up” peep sight found on Ross M-10 Sporting Rifles.
The, “peep” is spring-loaded and by depressing a button located forward of the sight, the peep, “pops up.” Pushing the peep back down locks it back in place. The rifle pictures below is also equipped with a a fixed blade rear sight. As it does not fold flat, it sits in the way of the Porter. It is a single blade fixed sight and the Ross literature of the time advised that the M-10 in .280 Ross (given the cartridges impressive ballistics) was designed for that sight to be used from 0 to 500 yards.
April 3, 2018
OfflineThat Porter sight looks first rate. The Ross rifle was ahead of its time and quite popular in Canada, England and used in Africa.
The military version was used selectively by some in WWI. Assembly and disassembly of the Ross rifle has to be done carefully; the design does not suffer fools gladly. Improperly assembled, a Ross rifle was indeed somewhat hazardous to the user.
January 20, 2023
Offline450 Fuller said
That Porter sight looks first rate. The Ross rifle was ahead of its time and quite popular in Canada, England and used in Africa.
The military version was used selectively by some in WWI. Assembly and disassembly of the Ross rifle has to be done carefully; the design does not suffer fools gladly. Improperly assembled, a Ross rifle was indeed somewhat hazardous to the user.
Sir Charles Ross and his rifle had similar personalities. Neither suffered fools gladly, as you say.
If you mis-assembled the bolt, you could fire the rifle with the bolt unlocked, scoring an “own goal” as the bolt came back through your head.
The last words uttered by Sir Charles were to an attendant, immediately after which he rolled over in his bed and died: “Get the hell out of here.”
My kind of Scot.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 31, 2009
Offline450 Fuller said
I have an Axtell Mid-range on a Sharps, and a Winchester mid-range sitting affixed to an 1885 HW SS in 45-60. The rear tang sight seems almost natural on a single shot rifle.
Do you have any idea who finally bought Axtell? I would like to find a long range sight. These looked almost the same as a real Sharps sight.
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