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I was so happy when I acquired for free two Lyman Disc for my Lyman rear tang sights for a couple of my rifles. The excitement was quickly over when unbeknownst to me, the disc only fit the No. 2 & 2A. My 4 Lyman tang sights are all No. 1’s.
I did find a disc on EBay with a stem. Can anyone tell me if this would fit a No. 1 ? Photo below.
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AG said
The excitement was quickly over when unbeknownst to me, the disc only fit the No. 2 & 2A. My 4 Lyman tang sights are all No. 1’s.
The #1 aperture isn’t threaded to accept a disk–if it were, it wouldn’t be a #1!
I think the stem in your photo can be used on a #1. William Lyman, by the way, constantly preached in his early ads against the use of eye cups or disks, because he thought they defeated the main advantage his sight offered–an unobstructed field of view. Only after about a dozen yrs of producing the #1 did he finally cave in to the demand of some shooters for a sight threaded for a disk…and thus the #2 was born.
Thank you Clarence for the info.
Does anyone know the year Lyman No. 2 was introduced. I don’t see any mention of it in Brads sight info prior to 1907. Was hoping pre 1900 which is my collection.
AG
Stroebel’s “Old Gunsights” book says the Lyman #2 combination tang sight was introduced in 1894.
The #2 in my collection is marked with two patent dates: Jan. 29, 79, May 6, 84. It is marked with a W on the bottom of the base which is for an 1873.
Hope that helps.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Bill Hockett said
Stroebel’s “Old Gunsights” book says the Lyman #2 combination tang sight was introduced in 1894.The #2 in my collection is marked with two patent dates: Jan. 29, 79, May 6, 84. It is marked with a W on the bottom of the base which is for an 1873.
Hope that helps.
Yes it does Bill.
On the hunt now for a Lyman No. 2 for my M1894 first variation 38-55 DOM 1895. Appreciate the info.
AG
Bill Hockett said
The #2 in my collection is marked with two patent dates: Jan. 29, 79, May 6, 84.
The ’79 pat. applied to the stem & rotating sleeve; the ’84, to the hinge-joint between the stem & base. No special patent applied to the #2.
The seller on EBay replied to me &’kindly advised the stem(& disc) he has listed would be too long for my 1894’s. I’ve kinda put this ideal to rest now not knowing for sure if No.2 was produced pre 1900.
AG
I spoke to soon. I contacted Lyman & spoke to technical dept rep. He checked their records & confirmed the No. 2 was first introduced in their factory catalog 1899. Personally that’s good enough for me & happy as I own three 1894’s born in 1899. The chase is back on for a No.2
I was also advised by the Lyman rep, the first Lyman disc sight(No. 15) was introduced in 1887.
He is scanning the excerpts from their historical data & sending it later today which I will post when received.
AG
AG said
The seller on EBay replied to me &’kindly advised the stem(& disc) he has listed would be too long for my 1894’s.
If it is (though I don’t know how the seller could know without testing it in the sight you have), cut off the extra length! It’s rare to find one of these stems offered for sale!
AG said
I spoke to soon. I contacted Lyman & spoke to technical dept rep. He checked their records & confirmed the No. 2 was first introduced in their factory catalog 1899. Personally that’s good enough for me…
It shouldn’t be–directing historical questions to the present Lyman management is like asking the Miroku Corp. in Japan for info on Model 52s. All ANYONE presently working for Lyman knows about the history of the company is what they can find printed in the Lyman Centennial Journal of 1978; an invaluable reference book to be sure, but far from complete. (It was compiled from Lyman catalogs, but all of them were not available when the research for the book was being done.) The date of 1899 you were given is the date of an illustration printed in the that book; the actual date of introduction was 1894, as determined by the ads Lyman began placing in sporting periodicals at that time.
You can acquire your own copy of this book for the ridiculously cheap price of $12: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=ramage&bi=0&bx=off&cm_sp=SearchF-_-Advtab1-_-Results&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=Lyman%20Centennial%20Journal
Or I’ll sell you my VERY rare hardbound copy for $200.
I appreciate the reply Clarence. I guess whatever way, it’s confirmed the Lyman No. 2 was introduced pre 1900?
AG said
I appreciate the reply Clarence. I guess whatever way, it’s confirmed the Lyman No. 2 was introduced pre 1900?
Certainly. That page is copied from the Centennial Journal.
Bill Hockett said
Stroebel’s “Old Gunsights” book says the Lyman #2 combination tang sight was introduced in 1894.The #2 in my collection is marked with two patent dates: Jan. 29, 79, May 6, 84. It is marked with a W on the bottom of the base which is for an 1873.
Hope that helps.
You’re correct Clarence!
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