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July 8, 2019
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I’m just throwing this out there after reading Arthur Pirkle’s volume 3 & his comments on sights & values. Wondering what front & rear sight you prefer, & what do you feel or know as a collector which sights add value excluding tang sights. All responses appreciated. 

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July 8, 2019
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I'm a fan of special sights be they open or closed iron or scopes that are period correct.  All of which adds to the accuracy where iron sights are concerned. I especially like the peeps including those that can be enhanced with additional circles such as a Lyman combination front sight or inserts for target front sights.  As for value, all I know is that I ordinarily have to pay extra for them, and usually get my asking prices or close to that should I decide to sell any.

 

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July 9, 2019
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Thank you for the response James. Not much interest in this post. 

I personally prefer for rifle:

Front: Lyman folding Globe & post with ivory bead & Hunting half moon no 4. 

Rear: I like the 3 Leaf express & a full buckhorn for me. 

I personally prefer for carbine:

Front: 94C 

Rear: 3 Leaf express or Ladder period correct. 

Not sure what adds value or what doesn’t but maybe someone will post with more knowledge on recent values. 

AG

July 9, 2019
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I think a tang sight added to any rifle or carbine makes it 100% better.  Not only does it look good, (at least to me) but are accurate as can be.  I have a model 65 in 25-20 with a lyman tang sight on it.  I can hit soda cans @ 200 yards with it.  Also having a tang sight increases value of said rifle/carbine.

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July 9, 2019
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Manuel said
I think a tang sight added to any rifle or carbine makes it 100% better.  Not only does it look good, (at least to me) but are accurate as can be.  I have a model 65 in 25-20 with a lyman tang sight on it.  I can hit soda cans @ 200 yards with it.  Also having a tang sight increases value of said rifle/carbine.

Manuel  

Yes good call on that one Manual. Definitely looks better. I’m not sure if it adds more value overall or just the price of the tang sight. 

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July 9, 2019
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AG said

Rear: I like the 3 Leaf express & a full buckhorn for me. 
  

If you're over 40, & still shooting well with such crude sights, your vision is outstanding!

July 9, 2019
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I never said that Clarence lol. Just my preference. 

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July 10, 2019
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AG said
Thank you for the response James. Not much interest in this post. 

I personally prefer for rifle:

Front: Lyman folding Globe & post with ivory bead & Hunting half moon no 4. 

Rear: I like the 3 Leaf express & a full buckhorn for me. 

I personally prefer for carbine:

Front: 94C 

Rear: 3 Leaf express or Ladder period correct. 

Not sure what adds value or what doesn’t but maybe someone will post with more knowledge on recent values. 

AG  

AG

You're very welcome. It did take a little while to get started but a few of us along with your continued presence helped to make it a bit interesting.

I like what Manuel had to offer about tang sights. I like them, too, for the look and better accuracy they provide. I've never owned a rifle with the half- moon or full-buckhorn, but liking various sights the way I do, I like them as well!

I have a couple of 1890's with the Lyman combination and tang sights, with one having the rear barrel sporting sight. How I ended up with them as hard as they are to come by in high condition was not an easy thing to do as I have never made a lot of big gun shows, and from what I hear nowadays, they are even scarce in those venues.

Another hard to come by Winchester and sight combo that I wanted for the longest, before finally finding and getting it, was a carbine with the Climin' Lyman. It has the 94C and express sights to go with it.

As for the 1890s that I have just mentioned, I would guestimate that I had to pay about 30 to 40% more that what one with standard sights would have cost. Had I not paid it, someone else would have would have been the lucky person.

I had to pay a higher-percentage where the carbine is concerned since it was made in the late 1920s and had to have extra holes drilled to accommodate the Lyman receiver sight and no factory letter to prove the sight was put on at Winchester.  However, I did not have to pay what one with a letter would have cost, but more than what an overly cautious appraiser might think.   Whether we like it or not, there is a big disconnect in this arena, in that such instances create a pox in some circles that are completely meaningless in another where money is concerned.  Again, had I not paid what I did for such a highly desirable piece, someone else would have been the lucky person.  Herein like a very viable and lively ongoing market for both buyers and sellers.  That said, my carbine would have been a complete steal enabling another party to enjoy it, and later gain a considerable profit based on a low ball appraisal.  

All said, I'm not sure what certain sights might add to rifles, for example, in the general sense but in cases like the ones I have just described the cost will be considerably above the typical cost of the sights.  Another point to consider here is what the cost of a good gunsmith will cost to include the fees associated with shipping to them and back!!!

 

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July 10, 2019
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Great reply James. Thank you for sharing. I like hearing stories of others purchases & or the chase to acquire a piece or sight. I might add maybe with the Museum opening & the Cody show right now, forum members are busy right now & will reply eventually. 

I currently have 6 model 1894 rifles all pre 1900,  & 2 carbines model 1894. Four of the rifles have period correct rear Lyman tangs. The other two were left without rear tangs(as per factory letter) to stay all original. All rifles have optional sights front & rear & 3 have shotgun butt. One is half oct/half round, one is octagon 1/2 mag take down, & one is octagon first model 38-55 take down full mag. 

I’m glad to hear that the rear add overall value & not just appearance. Once again thank you for taking the time to write a more in-depth & great reply. 

AG

July 12, 2019
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There are a couple of camps here, those that like sights on guns because of the way they look, the other is liking them for their utility, or maybe a combination of both.  Would agree that certain sights add to the value of a rifle or carbine but the way I justify the increased cost is the variance between the average cost of a standard front or rear sight vs. a higher end sight or sight combination.  Original sight configurations that letter are a bonus.  For some that may be the justification for the increased cost of a particular rifle or carbine alone regardless of the sights installed.  Also, how does the condition of the rifle or carbine to which certain sights are attached affect the overall cost or value added for an 85%+ condition firearm, 80% condition, or 50% condition, or less.   Also too, what about consideration for the Model on which they are used--do you treat similar or certain sights or sight combination valuations the same for an 1876, 1873, 1886 vs. an 1892 or 1894? 

As stated above, Ive always viewed the value of a sight or sight combinations as tied to their value independent of a gun its installed--the quantitative value.  Much like the value added for a scope installed on a rifle - the added cost beyond the value of the rifle would be the current value of the scope.    

As for preference, my hunting rifles & carbine have the following:

1892 Rifle:  38-40, Marble #3 front, Winchester semi-buckhorn rear

1894 Rifle:  38-55, Lyman #4 front, Winchester flat top rear. 

1894 Carbine:  38-55, Lyman 26 front, Lyman #6 rear, and Lyman #1A combination tang (3rd variation).  

Another of my favorites to shoot is my 1894 rifle in 30WCF with Lyman #4 front, Win 3 leaf express with platinum lines, and Lyman 21 receiver sight (lettered).

For target shooting a Lyman combination front sight is preferred with tang sight. 

The tang sights are definitely a plus with failing eyes.  I use the 94 carbine the most out of all of them, and its with me most weekends.  The tang sight helps with the longer distances, however its only useful if you have the time to take sufficient aim.  Ive found they  dont work so well at close ranges, in the brush, tight spots, or when your quarry is on the move.  In those situations I rely on the Lyman #6 rear and not the tang sight.

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July 12, 2019
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Awesome reply 1892takedown. Appreciate your insight & preferences. 

AG

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