Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters




sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_Print sp_TopicIcon
Preferred Sights-- Lyman 21/38 or Tang Peep?
June 6, 2021
3:44 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 34
Member Since:
August 21, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This is  a question for those who use or used both tang and receiver sights. Which do you prefer and why?

I am considering adding a Lyman 21 to my Winchester 1886 in .33 caliber and my Winchester 94 in 38-55.

Thanks!

Jim

Life Member WACA & NRA

June 6, 2021
4:13 pm
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3217
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Biggest diff is that tang sights can be added without alteration, must D&T for the 21.  Also have to pay twice as much for a 21.  A 21 with windage (a 38) would be a clear advantage over a tang, but otherwise I can’t see any huge practical advantage of one over the other, except that the 21 is faster to adjust.  Guess I’d prefer the 21, but mainly because it’s by far the scarcest, & I’ve been shooting with tangs all my life.

June 6, 2021
6:01 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1002
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I prefer the tang sight as it does not require permanent alteration (desecration?) to the rifle.

June 6, 2021
7:01 pm
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3217
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

mrcvs said
I prefer the tang sight as it does not require permanent alteration (desecration?) to the rifle.  

Alteration, yes, but if the D&T were done to a well-used gun with little finish, considering it “desecration” seems rather extreme.  Certainly wouldn’t recommend it on a high cond gun, however.

June 6, 2021
7:26 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1032
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

 Jim, One thing to consider is when it comes time to sell the gun. If the sight does not letter to the gun or have a shadow under it you can remove it when you go to sell. A Lyman tang when removed does not leave extra holes in the receiver where the Lyman 21 does. “Drilling and tapping a receiver is permanent!”  T/R

June 6, 2021
8:15 pm
Avatar
Eastern Iowa
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 109
Member Since:
February 22, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

As long as the rifle has a peep sight I’m happy. I haven’t been able to see a sporting rear sight well  in decades.

June 6, 2021
8:42 pm
Avatar
South Texas
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1100
Member Since:
March 20, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Definitely like the receiver sight or bolt peep over a tang sight, and blocky receiver sights never appealed to me.  The receiver sight or bolt peep preference has more to do with eye relief for me than anything else.  I seem to shoot more consistently with them than a tang sight with my aging eyes. 

DSC_0245-Copy-3.JPG1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member

"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington

June 6, 2021
11:41 pm
Avatar
Melbourne Australia
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 97
Member Since:
July 14, 2016
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Here’s one on Ebay that has not ended yet. 

Bloody pricey! 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224478728843

A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...

June 6, 2021
11:49 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 11836
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yes, way too “pricey” in my opinion!

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

June 7, 2021
12:38 am
Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3341
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

No preference, just won’t drill holes to accommodate either. I also appreciate the later receiver sights and keep a couple in my parts box to install on rifles with the appropriate holes in the receiver if I decide to shoot it. 

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
June 7, 2021
12:51 am
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3217
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Aussie Chris said
Here’s one on Ebay that has not ended yet. 

Bloody pricey! 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224478728843  

Holy shirt, I can’t even BELIEVE that!  Only one I’ve got is on a ’95, but I’d take it off for that money!  Suspect, however, this is the kind of ebay craziness you only see once. 

June 7, 2021
1:30 am
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 11836
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

clarence said

Suspect, however, this is the kind of ebay craziness you only see once.   

Want to make a bet on that ?  I highly suspect we will see this lunacy repeat itself several times in the near future.

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

June 7, 2021
2:15 am
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3217
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Bert H. said

Want to make a bet on that ?  I highly suspect we will see this lunacy repeat itself several times in the near future.  

I know what you mean…I’ve seen it before on ebay.  Something sells for an unprecedented price, igniting the greed in everyone who’s got the same thing to rush to put it up while the feeding frenzy lasts.  However, in my observation, it seldom produces the same results, because it takes TWO fat-cats who don’t give a damn what they pay to drive bidding to such extremes.

June 7, 2021
12:58 pm
Avatar
Eastern Iowa
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 109
Member Since:
February 22, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Sold for only $916 with shipping.

June 7, 2021
1:31 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1032
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

 Way to pricey unless you own the gun. An original gun in the same condition as the sight, with the holes in the receiver, and with a matching shadow of blue on the left side of the receiver. Maybe it letters that way. Sights get taken off, sights get added, and sights are valuable to the person that needs them. EBAY makes them visible. T/R

June 7, 2021
1:49 pm
Avatar
NY
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 3217
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

TR said
 Way to pricey unless you own the gun. An original gun in the same condition as the sight, with the holes in the receiver, and with a matching shadow of blue on the left side of the receiver. Maybe it letters that way. Sights get taken off, sights get added, and sights are valuable to the person that needs them. EBAY makes them visible. T/R  

“Pricey” would be, say, $5-600; $900+ can only be called insane.  Needing one for a gun that had originally been ordered with that sight might explain it, except that it’s hard to imagine TWO bidders in that same unusual situation bidding against one another at the same time.  

June 7, 2021
10:21 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1032
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

  Clarence, Maybe one person had the gun that lettered and just the other one was crazy. T/R

June 11, 2021
5:53 pm
Avatar
Aylmer, Quebec, Canada
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 894
Member Since:
March 23, 2007
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

My preference is for a Lyman 21 /38. I really like the appearance of them on a rifle. Also easier to adjust.  I do like tang sights as well (my eyes seem to shoot better with them), but find they can get a bit in the way / are a bit awkward for my hand. That said, I wouldn’t drill and tap a gun for a 21/38 unless it wasn’t a rough “shooter” already I guess.  Even then, not sure I would. At least with the tang sights, you can just throw it on the gun.

Matt 

June 12, 2021
2:28 am
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 538
Member Since:
January 27, 1992
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am curious, could a Model 71 Bolt with the Peep Sight be used?  Or would that cause head space problems?  RDB

June 12, 2021
4:38 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 11836
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Roger,

A Model 71 bolt would need to be fitted to a Model 1886 receiver, but otherwise it would work. That said, it would be an expensive modification… a complete bolt with a correct No. 98A peep sight on it would cost you a healthy handful Ben Franklin’s.

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Forum Timezone: UTC 0

Most Users Ever Online: 628

Currently Online: 426crown, TXGunNut, RickC, shawn zotynia
9 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)


Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 16

Topics: 9152

Posts: 78842


Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1234

Members: 10619

Moderators: 4

Admins: 3


Top Posters:

1873man: 4925

TXGunNut: 3341

clarence: 3217

Chuck: 2797

twobit: 2709

steve004: 2416

Maverick: 1792

Big Larry: 1631

JWA: 1605

RickC: 1388