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Does anyone have a preference when it comes to Marbles or Lyman rear tang sights. I realize Lyman was the only choice for several years but I’ve heard a couple people say Marbles was a better sight.
AG
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Lyman sights very often letter on Winchesters, Marbles do not. Collectors see a Lyman sight on a Winchester as possibly original. T/R
Lyman has always been the preferred tang sight by Collectors between the two and like T/R stated I don’t remember a marbles sight on a letter at least on the 73’s.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Good points about the Lyman & collectors.
While browsing EBay I found another so called “original” sight with the stem in backwards. Unfortunately the winning bidder will have to dismantle it at the pivot base, reverse, & reassemble it to be correct.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F133247245083
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AG said
I realize Lyman was the only choice for several years but I’ve heard a couple people say Marbles was a better sight.
I’m one of them…though “better” doesn’t always translate to popularity; better because the Marbles locking ring prevents any looseness in the stem, a common problem in well-used Lymans.
But Lyman’s LONG head start was unsurpassable. Lyman advertised heavily in shooting publications, but more importantly than that was the rather amazing way gunmakers themselves endorsed his sight by listing them in their own catalogs shortly after he placed them on the market. To convince them to do this, when all of them manufactured tang sights of their own design, suggests that Wm. Lyman, in addition to offering an excellent product, was a crackerjack salesman!
AG said
While browsing EBay I found another so called “original” sight with the stem in backwards. Unfortunately the winning bidder will have to dismantle it at the pivot base, reverse, & reassemble it to be correct.
Don’t understand how this could happen “accidently,” as the spring-bolt isn’t easy to remove.
My thoughts exactly Clarence. My guess is not original & the base was replaced. If the stem was damaged you would just replace it & it would not be in backwards.
Either way it’s not original imo.
AG
Here’s another example from the same seller. Listed & marked underneath as 1ADA, but has the disc(2A). The second one is marked 2A but has the 1A stem without disc. Clearly both have altered with a different stem or shaft & the seller doesn’t know the code application.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F293315298261
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F303340494367
AG
Regarding typical tang sights in general, the King is by far my favorite over the Lyman and Marbles sights. I think it is a far more attractive sight that is also much better engineered where the moving parts are concerned. I really like the smooth feel of the elevation adjustments, to include, the locking and, especially, the push button unlocking spring at the bottom of the elevator stem that is used to fold it down.
James
AG said
Here’s another. Listed & marked underneath as 1ADA, but has the disc(2A). Clearly another that has been altered with a different stem or shaft.
This seller lists lots of altered or messed-up items, but disclaims all responsibility.
jwm94 said
Regarding typical tang sights in general, the King is by far my favorite over the Lyman and Marbles sights. I think it is a far more attractive sight that is also much better engineered where the moving parts are concerned. I really like the smooth feel of the elevation adjustments, to include, the locking and, especially, the push button unlocking spring at the bottom of the elevator stem that is used to fold it down.James
Never had a King but once had a Parker-Hale on a Winchester base, & what a marvel of precision workmanship it was! Easiest to read elevation scale I’ve ever seen. Don’t know how it could have been sold for less than twice the price of a Lyman or Marbles, which explains its rarity. Alas, because it was not “traditional,” I succumbed to greed, & sold it!
“This seller lists lots of altered or messed-up items, but disclaims all responsibility“.
Yes his descriptions & terms are bizarre.
AG
clarence said
jwm94 said
Regarding typical tang sights in general, the King is by far my favorite over the Lyman and Marbles sights. I think it is a far more attractive sight that is also much better engineered where the moving parts are concerned. I really like the smooth feel of the elevation adjustments, to include, the locking and, especially, the push button unlocking spring at the bottom of the elevator stem that is used to fold it down.James
Never had a King but once had a Parker-Hale on a Winchester base, & what a marvel of precision workmanship it was! Don’t know how it could have been sold for less than twice the price of a Lyman or Marbles, which explains its rarity. Alas, I succumbed to greed, & sold it!
Funny!
James
I have one of those King square tang sights, butt ugly in my mind. You need a screw driver to set the elevation.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
I have one of those King square tang sights, butt ugly in my mind. You need a screw driver to set the elevation.
It is butt ugly as well as crude; surprised they’d put their good name on it. Wonder if it was intended for some of the very cheap boy’s rifles of the time.
clarence said
It is butt ugly as well as crude; surprised they’d put their good name on it. Wonder if it was intended for some of the very cheap boy’s rifles of the time.
Agree about it’s appearance. Don’t know about its performance, but certainly a less expensive option to their best tang sight.
James
1873man said
I have one of those King square tang sights, butt ugly in my mind. You need a screw driver to set the elevation.Bob
I think it is a Model 24? The base is different for different gun makers. I believe King went out of business in the mid 1950’s?
Its the model 210. I believe their sales pitch went like” It the tang sight hunters have been waiting for” and they supplied the screwdriver as well. I can see myself spotting a deer at 200 yards and asking myself ” what pocket did I put that #$#$& screw driver in.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Its the model 210. I believe their sales pitch went like” It the tang sight hunters have been waiting for” and they supplied the screwdriver as well. I can see myself spotting a deer at 200 yards and asking myself ” what pocket did I put that #$#$& screw driver in.Bob
I don’t think this screw-adjustment is really as much of a handicap as it might appear, because, first off, you’d need to KNOW the range was 200 yds, or whatever, to make a precise adjustment worthwhile. When the best you can do is roughly estimate range (which few folks do well without special training), I think that ye old Kentucky elevation is likely to produce results as good as a sight adjustment. The very experienced hunters who could estimate range closely enough to make a sight adjustment worthwhile wouldn’t be using such a piece of crap as this anyway.
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