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April 24, 2021
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Gentlemen,

I'm looking for your input, advice, on removing the front sight off a Model 67A youth model. I have used the old method by placing the Rifle in a secured Rifle wood Rifle Vice, in the past, and using the right size Brass drift, gently tapping the sight out, after, applying a little Kroil, to the Dovetail, at the base, but it seems to me, that a more modern sight pusher style vise would possibly be a better choice! What say you? I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say, or even your thoughts! The Rifle in Question is all original with, nary a mark on it at all! The Bluing is exceptional on the Barrel, and any Marks on it would just deter from this fine specimen! Thanks!Smile

April 24, 2021
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limestone304@aol.com said it seems to me, that a more modern sight pusher style vise would possibly be a better choice! What say you? 

Sure, if you can afford one--well over $50, at least the one sold by Brownell's.  I'd love to have one!  

April 24, 2021
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clarence said

limestone304@aol.com said it seems to me, that a more modern sight pusher style vise would possibly be a better choice! What say you? 

Sure, if you can afford one--well over $50, at least the one sold by Brownell's.  I'd love to have one!    

Clarence,

I know what you mean, and most seam to be made for the Glock. I haven't really seen the so called perfectly designed, sight pusher for a Collectable, round barreled Winchester! We do seem to agree that a sight pusher vised tool would be ideal, provided the barrel is secured!

April 24, 2021
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I have 2 sights I would love to remove.  I have tried most everything and no luck.  Beat on, soaked, heated etc.  I would like to know which remover would work on the old Winchesters.

April 24, 2021
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Chuck said
I have 2 sights I would love to remove.  I have tried most everything and no luck.  Beat on, soaked, heated etc.  I would like to know which remover would work on the old Winchesters.  

If this won't work, give up:

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-movers/universal-sight-installation-tool-prod6841.aspx

April 25, 2021
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clarence said

If this won't work, give up:

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-movers/universal-sight-installation-tool-prod6841.aspx  

I pretty much already gave up.  But if you get a handful of people to go in together we may be able to afford this one???  If you buy it I would like to rent it from you.

April 25, 2021
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Chuck said

  But if you get a handful of people to go in together we may be able to afford this one???  If you buy it I would like to rent it from you.  

I was thinking of renting it from you.

April 25, 2021
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Chuck said
I have 2 sights I would love to remove.  I have tried most everything and no luck.  Beat on, soaked, heated etc.  I would like to know which remover would work on the old Winchesters.  

Chuck said

I pretty much already gave up.  But if you get a handful of people to go in together we may be able to afford this one???  If you buy it I would like to rent it from you.  

clarence said

If this won't work, give up:

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-movers/universal-sight-installation-tool-prod6841.aspx  

Well,

I never really was one to give up! I spent my summers in my Grandfathers Garage/shop,(who was a die maker), and we literally did, and built everything that we needed! Many stories and memories here, that we don't have time for now! The vise that Brownells is showing is more for the Glock, or a square bodied pistol. in my estimation. So imagine, if you will, a Vice, that has no mar plastic faced jaws, that secures the barrel, to eliminate movement of any kind, and another vice/sight pusher tool, that will slide the sight, sideways, out of the dovetail! I'm gonna think on this awhile! It's possible! Chuck, what models do you have that your replacing the sights on?

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The one most easily modified to work on a rifle, & one of the cheapest, is the Williams, designed to work on a ramp.  The side or shoulder opposite the screw looks like a separate piece attached to the frame, & if so, it ought to be possible to replace it with a shoulder that would butt up against the brl. Not a complex job for anyone with a milling machine, but that doesn't include me.

April 25, 2021
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Here's what I've been using lately. It works really well, even without a vise and about the size of a pencil. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of the "swing and a miss".  Just hold the punch end tight against the sight and just keep snapping it in a slingshot fashion.

Since its so small it would be handy at gunshows, and at the range too. I have the original version for $35 but I see that they now have another one available with multiple punch sizes. I think I found it on Brownells originally, but not seeing it there anymore. 

https://www.wyomingsightdrifter.com/store#!

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April 25, 2021
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I've been faced with this very issue. 

FWIW, I have both a Williams & a Brownells sight pusher.  They can and will mark, mar, deform & damage if not used properly & carefully!  It's very easy to not get perfect horizontal alignment; and being "off" just a little will put tremendous pressure (at an angle) on the sight.

If I can't budge a sight w/penetrating oil & a nylon or brass punch I won't even consider the sight pusher.  But that's just ME.

Be careful!  

 

           

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clarence said
The one most easily modified to work on a rifle, & one of the cheapest, is the Williams, designed to work on a ramp.  The side or shoulder opposite the screw looks like a separate piece attached to the frame, & if so, it ought to be possible to replace it with a shoulder that would butt up against the brl. Not a complex job for anyone with a milling machine, but that doesn't include me.  

Clarence,

I looked at the Williams sight pusher, and it doesn't work for me, (in my mind), well enough for our Rifle application. It's close, like you said with some possible modifications, and like you said, it's affordable! D B Tac, makes one for the 1911, and Glock, that without much, possibly no modifications, and it's affordable, at $44.00 Bucks, makes it worth not making, or even re inventing the Wheel!Smile

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pdog72 said
Here's what I've been using lately. It works really well, even without a vise and about the size of a pencil. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of the "swing and a miss".  Just hold the punch end tight against the sight and just keep snapping it in a slingshot fashion.

Since its so small it would be handy at gunshows, and at the range too. I have the original version for $35 but I see that they now have another one available with multiple punch sizes. I think I found it on Brownells originally, but not seeing it there anymore. 

https://www.wyomingsightdrifter.com/store#!  

pdog,

That's what I've been accustomed to in the past, working with my, long passed Gun Smith, Father in Law! He was the Best! We would use Brass drift's, and he even made hard plastic material Drifts, like they sell today! I do agree with your slingshot, quick hit method, your describing, to me it's a must for your method! I just don't like it when the Rifle isn't secured, and wants to bounce around, loosing all your precise, dedicated force, centered on one point, giving you false momentum, and increasing the possibility of marring, and damaging the surfaces! My Father in Law didn't work on too many Collectable Firearms, mostly War banger's and plinkers, Jap junk and the likes, besides the every day cops that he would take care of! To me, he got by with his methods, and they worked for him! If you get a really tough sight like Chuck is referring to then, I like a Secured system! That's just my take! Smile

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OW1892 said
I've been faced with this very issue. 

FWIW, I have both a Williams & a Brownells sight pusher.  They can and will mark, mar, deform & damage if not used properly & carefully!  It's very easy to not get perfect horizontal alignment; and being "off" just a little will put tremendous pressure (at an angle) on the sight.

If I can't budge a sight w/penetrating oil & a nylon or brass punch I won't even consider the sight pusher.  But that's just ME.

Be careful!  

 

             

OW,

Yeah, good points also! Your absolutely correct on, not having things aligned properly, and doing damage! Especially talking about Collectable Firearms, where every mark, dent, scar, or whatever detracts from the firearm!  Always be careful!!! Half of the evaluation, is knowing what your dealing with! Is it a Tapered, or straight slot? Always considering how long these Sights,(parts), have been in place, through hot, and cold temps, with tight tolerances, and is there a thread locker in place, such as lock tight, that might require heat to remove! None of us want to apply heat to our precious firearms, but all this needs to be taken into account! I just can't leave it broke, or unfixed! I've been known to do a few amazing things in my time, like many of you guys, but I can't leave it alone, unless I part ways with it, and sell it as is!Smile

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pdog72 said
Here's what I've been using lately. It works really well, even without a vise and about the size of a pencil. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of the "swing and a miss".  Just hold the punch end tight against the sight and just keep snapping it in a slingshot fashion.

Going to order one of these, though can't help being skeptical that it can apply enough force to move a sight that's REALLY stuck hard, like Chuck's; fortunately, cases that extreme aren't the norm. 

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Agreed. I'm not suggesting it on the ones you couldn't eventually move with a hammer and punch. Its just a nice option that's not as cumbersome and risky. I have used it in my gun vise for the tough ones and also by just laying the gun on the bench for the ones that aren't as tough. 

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clarence said

pdog72 said
Here's what I've been using lately. It works really well, even without a vise and about the size of a pencil. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of the "swing and a miss".  Just hold the punch end tight against the sight and just keep snapping it in a slingshot fashion.

Going to order one of these, though can't help being skeptical that it can apply enough force to move a sight that's REALLY stuck hard, like Chuck's; fortunately, cases that extreme aren't the norm.   

Clarence,

I think it's almost a must in our tool kits! The different size drifts, are handy for pins, and such. If your encountering a tough sight, and you strike the base of the sight, and it doesn't want to move, chances are, you'll leave a mark, on the side of the steal sight base! Ouch! Not Pleasant to look at, for a Collector! When you watch a qualified Gun Engraver, note, the Engravers gun vise, as he or she is tapping around the metal with their cutting tools,(chisels)! Point being made, I just have to secure the firearm, before I try to tap a sight out! Even most conventional Rifle, Gun vises, secure the Rifle Vertical, naturally, so you can clean it properly. Try tapping your sight sideways, even securing the Rifle gun vise to the table with a clamp. It's still not the Best possible set up in my opinion! It would be more solid Turning the Rifle sideways, and securing it, solidly, to try to tap the sight out, so it doesn't bounce or move!Smile

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Guys, thanks for all of the info.  I want to change the front sight on my 95 because the current one shoots too high.  The other gun is my 66.  I want to take off the period correct simple buck horn and put an original ladder type sight on it.  The old buck horn does not have the long flat section.  The buck horn sits right on top of the dove tailed piece.  You see these on Henrys and 66's.

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When changing sights on my old rifles, mostly 60-70% condition guns, I lay the gun on a soft mat on its right side and support the barrel near the sight I am removing with different blocks of soft wood. I use a brass drift I got from Skinner sights. I've never had a problem with damage to the sight or gun. I've been fortunate enough to not have any that have been too stubborn.

Would I use this method on a 90% condition gun, probably not, but then I wouldn't be shooting it either.

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A lot of great working experienced ideas here. So I went ahead and ordered a small universal sight pusher, mainly advertised for our Glock's, and 1911's, so I know between my boy's and I we'll get our $40.00 bucks worth! I was able to secure the Winchester 67A Boys Rifle, in one of my Better Rifle vises securely, and I made a few small adjustments, and improvised small contoured, to the round barrel, felt padded, wood blocks, to help safely, and softly hold things in place! A small drop or two of Kroil, on the sight dovetail, and I was able to walk the old front sight out carefully going extremely slow, so I didn't leave any marks! I learned a long time ago, that it's better to start out with a small amount of your favorite penetrating oil vs. trying it dry, and then it's too late, and that's when most damage is caused!  We received great news this weakened, as we can expect our first Grandson, (first Grandchild), and I told our oldest Son that I would like to give this Rifle to him when is old enough to shoot it! A great way to teach a kid how to shoot, with a Winchester single shot .22!  Both our Boys still have their first Winchester 67, 22's that they received for Christmas when they were kids!  My Son got a kick out of the news! I just got the new, old Original sight and will put that on later! Thanks to All!Smile

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