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RickC
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December 9, 2021 - 5:56 pm
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Anyone know what 22 rear sight came standard on a 26” oct bl 1894 in 30WCF. DOM 1899. I believe they had serrated edges but not sure if it’s 22B, 22E, 22H, etc. Is there any threads on the letter significance. Maybe the calibre determines the letter designation.

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Rick, I don’t remember the exact number but it is the one with the serrated edge and the small screw to allow the small piece to move up and down.  The correct elevator is like the early ones that do not have the thumb piece.  Maybe a 22?

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  Maybe 22B. It’s got the long front point, serrated edges and the movable aperture. T/R

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December 9, 2021 - 8:26 pm
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Thanks guys. Appreciated.

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A 1899 production Model 1894 should have a 26-series sight versus a 22-series.

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Bert H. said
A 1899 production Model 1894 should have a 26-series sight versus a 22-series.  

Thanks Bert. I loaned my sight books out a couple yrs ago & still not returned. Lesson learned. Can’t even remember seeing a 26.

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It should be a sporting rear sight #22.  The 26 is a California full buckhorn not the standard buckhorn.  My guess is the 22A was without serrations and adjustable aperture.  The 22 B is probably what he wants, like TR said.  See page 309 of Stroebel’s Old Gunsights book.

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December 10, 2021 - 6:22 pm
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Yes you’re correct Chuck now my memory is coming back. I had a 26 full buckhorn on a 94 pre 1900 a couple yrs ago & it was not period correct. If 22B is for smokeless than I think you’re right that’s the one.

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The 22 B came out in 1887.  So it could be for black powder or smokeless on the right Model.  Not a 94.  A 26A was for black powder and the 26B was for smokeless.

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RickC said
Anyone know what 22 rear sight came standard on a 26” oct bl 1894 in 30WCF. DOM 1899. I believe they had serrated edges but not sure if it’s 22B, 22E, 22H, etc. Is there any threads on the letter significance. Maybe the calibre determines the letter designation.  

 Rick,

 You have a good question. Where is a good source of information on the Winchester Sporting Rear Sight? The old Winchester catalogs do not list numbers or letters, just sporting rear sight. Nick Strebel’s book just lists the numbers not the letters. George Madis little sight book has numbers, letters, some usage, and pictures but not the dates. Putting a sight model number and letter to a “early” sporting rear sight is not been easy for me due to the lack of information. Later the modern firearms books list sight models.

 I think there was someone in western Wisconsin or eastern Minnesota, Tim something that made drawings or maybe a list. I’m sure someone on the Forum knows. T/R

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December 10, 2021 - 9:33 pm
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Thanks for the reply Thomas. It sounds like George Madis Sight book is the most in-depth and yes I would really like to hear from someone on the forum that has the numbers, letters, applications, and year.

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Tim Tyler of Luck WI put out a referance guide for Winchester sights and in the front he has the breakdown of what front, rear sight and elevator goes on what gun by model, caliber and configuration. For that gun he lists a 21c front, 22b rear with a 1b elevator.

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Thanks Bob. Do you know if that document is available anywhere?

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For all.  First, Tom has a pretty darn good memory, better than mine!  The author is Tim Tyler from Luck, WI.  The guide was published in 1996 and the source of his information purports to be original Winchester information.  From my perspective, take that as you will.  Anyway, his guide lists the STANDARD rear sight for a model 1894 in “Caliber 32 Win. Special” as a 22B with the 1B elevator.  This is for all versions of rifle in that caliber.  The carbine had eh 44A rear sight.  The front sight was the one that varied depending on the barrel, with the round and octagon of all lengths using the 21C, the half octagon of all lengths with full magazine and take down also using the 21C, while the half octagon with full magazine and regular models using the 21F.  For your reference and use as you see fit.  “Also, the 22B was listed for all versions of the 30 caliber and .25-35.  Tim (and no, not Tyler!)

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I just did quick search and didn’t find any. Its called “The Reference Guide of Winchester Standard Sight Equipment”. He’s got his phone number inside. When my new pup wakes up from his nap he taking on my lap I can get it.

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Just found it.

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1873man said
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Thanks Bob.

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RickC said
Just found it.

  

And I already tried to buy it, with this result: 

“The seller’s store is closed for vacation. Check back later.
 
I will, hoping it’s legit.  A 98.5% feedback score may look pretty good, but actually any FB on ebay below 99% is a little suspect.
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I question the address on the ebay site unless he moved or someone is copying his book.

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