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I got my Low Wall in 25-20 in. I’m pleased overall.  But this was the “backwards” elevator from the other thread.  It doesn’t look like Winchester quality to me, looks roughly hand made.  Also it’s too narrow, can flop over on it’s side in the slot.  Does the rest look right?  Where can I get an Elev?

 

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it is definitely not a correct elevator. If I remember correctly, this is a post-1900 rifle? If so, the 1C (thumb piece) elevator is what you need

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Thanks, yes, 94,000 era.  I wanted to get your word before finding one, conflicting data googling it.  1C it is then….

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Thanks, yes, 94,000 era.  I wanted to get your word before finding one, conflicting data googling it.  1C it is then….  

The picture I have attached is the correct sight and elevator that you need…

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Thanks man, I noted some have the patent date.  I’m sure that will be a tad harder to find.  See “new” section for some pics I just took of the entire rifle. 

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All of the original pre-WW I1C elevators I have seen are stamped with the patent date on the left side. The reproduction 1C elevators lack that marking.

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Would single shot plain sporting rifle have the previous elevator design up and including 1900?
one of mine is dated 1900 (87900) and have thhe elevator as present in the 1899 catalog (Campbell Vol1). Is that ok?

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Would single shot plain sporting rifle have the previous elevator design up and including 1900?
one of mine is dated 1900 (87900) and have thhe elevator as present in the 1899 catalog (Campbell Vol1). Is that ok?  

Yes, your low-wall should have the older style stepped elevator (with no thumb piece).

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Thank you!

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All of the original pre-WW I1C elevators I have seen are stamped with the patent date on the left side. The reproduction 1C elevators lack that marking.  

Bert, Do you have the pat. no.? 

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Bert, Do you have the pat. no.?   

No, I do not.

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AZshot said
Thanks man, I noted some have the patent date.  I’m sure that will be a tad harder to find.  See “new” section for some pics I just took of the entire rifle.   

I have a spare 1C elevator with the patent date if you’re interested.  Price is $40 shipped.

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deerhunter said

I have a spare 1C elevator with the patent date if you’re interested.  Price is $40 shipped.

Don  

What is that date?  I’d like to track down the patent, though without the no., it generally isn’t easy to do.

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clarence said

What is that date?  I’d like to track down the patent, though without the no., it generally isn’t easy to do.  

I’ll take a look at it tonight and let you know.

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Just found a photo of one on the internet.  Patented Feb 5, 1901.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/winchester-1901-sight-elevator-1a-73-137243645

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I have one that has “PAT. FEB 5 1901”.  I hope this helps..  RDB

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Thanks, Don & Roger.  Will see what I can find. 

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clarence said
Thanks, Don & Roger.  Will see what I can find.   

Clarence,

I can save you some time, I have most of the Winchester patents and that one is #667,628 filed by T.C. Johnson for Winchester.

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JWA said

Clarence,

I can save you some time, I have most of the Winchester patents and that one is #667,628 filed by T.C. Johnson for Winchester.

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Jeff,

While the patent date is the same, none of the elevators shown in Patent #667,628 is the one being discussed in this topic.  The elevators shown in #666,628 were used on the .22 caliber rim fire rifle sights.  The 1C elevator was used primarily on center fire rifle sights, and it has the serrated thumb piece on its southern end.

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Bert H. said

JWA said

Clarence,

I can save you some time, I have most of the Winchester patents and that one is #667,628 filed by T.C. Johnson for Winchester.

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Jeff,

While the patent date is the same, none of the elevators shown in Patent #667,628 is the one being discussed in this topic.  The elevators shown in #666,628 were used on the .22 caliber rim fire rifle sights.  The 1C elevator was used primarily on center fire rifle sights, and it has the serrated thumb piece on its southern end.  

Hi Bert,

Regardless of the actual image (or rim fire or centerfire), one of the patent claims is for an “elevator with an extended serrated finger-piece” for ease of adjustment with one hand.  Which is why the 1C elevator has that patent date (see fig. 4 of the patent).  And yes, you are correct in that other elevators fall under that same patent claim.

I did not post the full patent with text since it is easy to look up with the number on the USPTO site but here is the pertinent text.

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