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Hello,
Seeking for fine pictures of North West Military Police 1876 model rear sight
It would be graduate in METERS.
My focus is to try to establish if these sights are identical to those of the 1894 carbine “french contract”
1894 WW1 French Contract research survey
I do not believe that the Model 1876 NWMP Carbines were equipped with the same rear sight as the WW I French Contract Model 1894 Carbines. The link below has very good pictures of an original Model 1876 NWMP gun.
Antique Arms, Inc. – Winchester 1876 NWMP Saddle Ring Carbine (antiquearmsinc.com)
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
The 1876 NWMP used the Winchester 48A rear sight and interestingly in the notes on the back of the drawing it states the graduations are in “paces”, not yards or meters.
I can find no record of the 48A used on the 1894 French Contract Carbines on the drawings. However the 48A was also used on the 1886 Musket and the S.S. .22 Musket.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
The French Contract 1894 rear sight is a modified 44A with meters on the left side in photo below.
NWMP rear sight is the 48A below as JWA mentioned. Marked in paces!
Rick C
Hello
Thanks to all !
I see no “Spanish sight” ladder in meters, but it seems 1876 NWMP had 48A sights, not 44A one.
So, I can’t say if 44A French contract sights had previously equipped another Winchester model.
Best Regards
what are the graduations on the right side of the 44A? Go up to 20, but does not seem to “translate” into meters on the French contract version.
freebird1968 said
what are the graduations on the right side of the 44A? Go up to 20, but does not seem to “translate” into meters on the French contract version.
It was always my understanding that 5 is for 500 yards, 10 is for 1000 yards, 15 for 1500 and 20 for 2000 yards.
Rick C
Rick, that’s what I always assumed as well (although the same sight was used on guns with different calibers and barrel length, so how it actually worked is hard to fathom…), but the 1000 meters mark is at 1250 yards if I read correctly and not 1093 yrds…
My only possible explanation is that the meters graduation are specifically for 30WCF in a 20″ barrel, and that the yards graduations have been left out of convenience (sights existed and were modified, as opposed to made specifically for the french contract) but correspond to another caliber.
Wasn’t the 44A used on 1892 in 44WCF as well?
freebird1968 said
Rick, that’s what I always assumed as well (although the same sight was used on guns with different calibers and barrel length, so how it actually worked is hard to fathom…), but the 1000 meters mark is at 1250 yards if I read correctly and not 1093 yrds…My only possible explanation is that the meters graduation are specifically for 30WCF in a 20″ barrel, and that the yards graduations have been left out of convenience (sights existed and were modified, as opposed to made specifically for the french contract) but correspond to another caliber.
Wasn’t the 44A used on 1892 in 44WCF as well?
Hi freebird1968, I have to concur with your thoughts on the 44A was already produced & graduation stampings in meters were an add on.
As far as why they stamped the 1000 meter mark at 1250 yards rather than 1100 with the actual distance being 1093 yards, I don’t know. The 300 & 500 meter stamp are off as well in the photo example I shared. It could be as you stated different calibers or barrel length but I’m only guessing. Brad Dunbar, Bert, or someone else here might be able to advise!
Rick C
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