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Winchester 1897 Type C. Original length of the barrel?
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[Image Can Not Be Found]Hello, friends!

I added a shotgun to my collection of lever rifles.

Winchester 1897 serial number C189256. I live in Russia. The shotgun came to Russia after the Great War.

There is an opinion that in Russia all Winchester 1897 have a cut-off gun barrel. How can I find out the original length of the barrel?

Thank you in advance!

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The serial number tells us that your Model 1897 was manufactured in November of the year 1902.

The barrel should be marked with the choke constriction, e.g. FULL, or MOD, or CYL. If it is marked FULL, the original barrel length was either 30″ (standard) or 32″ (optional). If it is marked MOD, the standard barrel length was 28″ with 30″ being an optional length. If the barrel is marked CYL, it could have been either 20″ or 26″. The Riot Gun was made with a 20″ barrel, whereas the Brush Gun was made with a 26″ barrel, with both variations having a CYL bore barrel.

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Bert H., thank you for the answer!

it is marked FULL. But as I see, the barrel was cut several times.
 
 
There are markings on the barrel: “new haven conn usa. pat. nov 25 90. dec. 6. 92. july 21.96. feb 22.98. june. 14. 98. oct 16.1900”.
Are these patent numbers?
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Tell me, please, where can I read about the history of Win 1897 modifications? I am interested in the differences between Type C and Type D.

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I believe Bert mis-typed.  This gun was manufactured in 1902.

Go on the internet and search for books that have info for this model. 

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Bert H., thank you for the answer!
it is marked FULL. But as I see, the barrel was cut several times.
There are markings on the barrel: “new haven conn usa. pat. nov 25 90. dec. 6. 92. july 21.96. feb 22.98. june. 14. 98. oct 16.1900”.
Are these patent numbers?

  

The “FULL” marking indicates that the barrel was very likely 30-inches long as originally manufactured.

The other markings on the barrel are indeed the numerous applicable Patent dates.  The first three dates were for the predecessor Model 1893, which was replaced by the Model 1897 in July of 1897.

The primary difference between the “C” series and the “D” series guns was how the slide handle stock attached to the slide bar assembly, and the magazine tube end cap.  I am currently working on a research project and future article that will discuss the Model 1897 production history in as much detail as possible.

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Chuck said
amazon.com/Winchester-Shotguns-Dennis-Adler/dp/0785821082

amazon.com/Winchester-Shotguns-Shotshells-Hammer-Double/dp/0873413393/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_1_1/146-6721474-5287652?pd_rd_w=FNunI&content-id=amzn1.sym.1e7a0ba4-f11f-4432-b7d8-1aaa3945be18&pf_rd_p=1e7a0ba4-f11f-4432-b7d8-1aaa3945be18&pf_rd_r=FNZYJ27AHEWQ9BAHBZMS&pd_rd_wg=qO2iy&pd_rd_r=20609745-340f-4d9e-be01-3282a4147fc7&pd_rd_i=0873413393&psc=1

  

Thank you for the recommendations.

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Bert H. said
I am currently working on a research project and future article that will discuss the Model 1897 production history in as much detail as possible.

Great news! I will follow the release of the article.

 
I bought a shotgun from a man who is not interested in weapons. It was in a non-working condition.
I’ve restored it now. The Winchester can shoot again.
 
But there is one problem: There is no locking of the slide: noted in the photo.
 
The gun can shoot. But I can move and open the slide before I fire the shot.

 

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The very early production Model 1897s operated just as you mention (S/N range 34150 – 47650), but not too long after, Winchester altered the operation of the bolt locking assembly such that it required a slight forward pull on the slide handle to release the bolt to come open.  Your gun should require that slight forward pull to unlock and open the bolt.

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Bert H. said
Your gun should require that slight forward pull to unlock and open the bolt

Is this the result of the spring on the magazine tube? There is no spring on my shotgun – I have to buy it.

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I do not know if that is the problem, but it might be.

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Bert H. said
I do not know if that is the problem, but it might be.

  

 
I fixed the problem – the button didn’t work (22 Action Slide Lock Release Plunger Pin).
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There are no front sights on my shotgun. Can someone give the dimensions of the front sighting devices on a Winchester 1897 (barrel 20″)? 

for example, mossberg:
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I don’t have the exact dimension but they are just a round bead.  Sorry, I don’t have a larger file for this.

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Winchester used different bead types for the Model 1897 through the 60-years it was in production, but for the early guns is was a 1/16″ brass bead. I do not know what the thread pitch was (I have never removed one of them on an original gun).

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Bert H. said
1/16″ brass bead. 

Wow!! I thought it should be big. 0.8 inch approx. 

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